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Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 12:27 PM

A True 14 gauge
 
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This is a early front action 14gauge with 30" Damascus barrels, 135.00 grade. The 14 gauge was not listed in the early catalogues, but this is a true 14gauge, The gun is shown in the serialization book pg 15, and the Parker Story page 233, Gary

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 12:29 PM

14gauge
 
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Two more, What are the barrel stamps?, gary

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 12:30 PM

Double Click, gary

charlie cleveland 11-27-2015 12:54 PM

mighty nice gun and in rare 14 ga...i ran across a hammerless d grade a few years back always wished i had bought it...all i have is a 11 ga hammer gun gun i got from brian but it sure aint up to snuff with your beautiful gun...charlie

charlie cleveland 11-27-2015 12:56 PM

what do the letters whb stand for on the frame....charlie

John Dallas 11-27-2015 02:09 PM

Whata Heavenly Beauty

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 03:19 PM

The serial number is 1147, made around 1872, early front action, Look at the pb in the shield on the barrels could this be an early attempt by Parker to make barrels? Gary

Carvel Whaley 11-27-2015 03:33 PM

Does anyone know what the inside measurement of an 11 ga chamber would be? I have an early lifter which I thought was 12ga, however when you shoot a 12 ga shell it will often split the brass. It is serial number 4989. Just wondering if it could be an 11 ga? Carvel

Dave Noreen 11-27-2015 05:53 PM

Three UMC/Rem-UMC 14-gauge boxes in the current Ward's Auction --

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/vi....php?item=1271

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/vi....php?item=1269

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 06:41 PM

Carvel look on page 46 of the Parker Identification and serialization book it will show you what you are looking for, Gary

calvin humburg 11-27-2015 06:46 PM

Gary very nice as usual!

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-27-2015 06:50 PM

Charlie, you should have bought that D grade 14 they are pretty rare! Gary

Erick Dorr 11-27-2015 07:50 PM

Gary this is 1 beautiful gun. Can you share the letter with us? Have you been able to match any of the initials with early contractors or employees? Thank-you for sharing this Parker with the rest of us.
Erick

Gary Carmichael Sr 11-28-2015 08:54 AM

Erick, I have no letter it is to early, I am sure the guy I bought the gun from will not mind if I give his name, Mr Bill Mullins, I have not tried to match initials with contractors, The gun was featured in several publications, Bill had the gun a long time, I am fortunate to be its keeper now, I think it is the best example of an early front action damascus, lifter in 14 gauge in original condition out there, maybe Bill can add some info? Gary

Mike Franzen 11-28-2015 08:35 PM

It would be interesting to know how that gun survived and was preserved in that condition. That was a great addition to your collection.

Carvel Whaley 11-28-2015 08:50 PM

Thanks Gary, I don't have the book yet but it is on its way. Carvel

Fred Verry 11-28-2015 09:56 PM

11 Ga.
 
Carvel, here is a link to a previous discussion about the 11 ga. guns.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthr...rass+shotshell




HTH FV

Dean Romig 11-29-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Carmichael Sr (Post 182340)
The serial number is 1147, made around 1872, early front action, Look at the pb in the shield on the barrels could this be an early attempt by Parker to make barrels? Gary

Gary, according to testimony given by Charles King, Parker Bros. only produced their own composite barrels in 1877, 1878, and 1879 and it is my own belief that they were Laminated Steel. It is also my belief that the Parker produced barrels have a P stamped on the right barrel flat where the steel type designation stamp normally appears.





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Gary Carmichael Sr 11-30-2015 10:28 AM

Thanks Dean the shield that is stamped on the barrels have a pb in them, Gary

Dean Romig 11-30-2015 12:56 PM

Right Gary. We've seen that PB in the shield stamp on Damascus and Twist barrels pretty often.

I don't know what the shield with the PB means or represents. Possibly the manufacturer in Belgium or Birmingham....... or maybe they were stamped after striking at Parker Bros.





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Jay Oliver 11-30-2015 02:08 PM

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Gary, that is a beautiful gun!

I checked my 12 gauge #1219 front action lifter and it appears that it has the “PB” in the shield as well. I posted a picture below. Most people on this forum would know more about this than me(though I am slowly learning), I just wanted share that a gun made close to the same time has similar stamps.

That gun is very nice to say the least, I hope you enjoy it!

Jay


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