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Bill Kekatos 09-12-2015 02:13 AM

New (to me) Remington B Grade 10 gauge
 
My first 10 gauge, a Remington 1894, grade B, 10 gauge SS#117301is finally home.
The barrels are in excellent condition and the bottom of the lug is marked 68 and 34. I now there is number of devoted short 10-gauge shooters in this forum. I would appreciate any information, comments or advise you can offer me for the gun and shooting a short 10-gauge.
Thank you in advance, Bill K

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William Davis 09-12-2015 05:39 AM

Most of what I know about loading short Tens came off the short 10 sticky top of the reloading page. It's the best reference out there.

William

Brian Dudley 09-12-2015 08:22 AM

That Remington is in great shape!

Bill Anderson 09-12-2015 11:33 AM

Bill,

The 68 & 34 (you would add a "3" to the front of each number when only stamped with two digits) on the barrel lug is the pellet count for each barrel showing per cent of shot in a 30" circle at 40 yards, as it left the factory. With many Remington SxSs you will see a three digit number on the barrel lug.

Bill

Bill Murphy 09-12-2015 12:15 PM

What a great gun, and very scarce in B Grade and ten gauge. Now you need to invest in Semmer's Remington shotgun book.

wayne goerres 09-12-2015 06:52 PM

Remington hull 1 1/4 oz shot sp10 wad and 19 gr red dot. Dos'nt get any better than that. Nice gun.

charlie cleveland 09-12-2015 08:46 PM

you have found a really nice gun...are the barrels fluid steel or damascus really dont matter you have a fine gun...pete lesters loads will help you a bunch and the load wayne gave you is a super good load for squirls or about any thing and really nice on the shoulder and wood...charlie

Bill Kekatos 09-12-2015 08:57 PM

They are Damascus barrels.

Dave Noreen 09-12-2015 09:13 PM

Looks like the typical Three-Blade Damascus found of B-/BE-Grades. The B-Grade being the entry-level "made to order" Remington Hammerless Double, they are sometimes found with other Damascus patterns, like this early BE-Grade with Chain J barrels --

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Mills Morrison 09-12-2015 10:12 PM

That is a good looking gun

CraigThompson 09-13-2015 12:20 AM

That one needs to be amongst my accumulation of 10's :bigbye:

scott kittredge 09-13-2015 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Kekatos (Post 176866)
My first 10 gauge, a Remington 1894, grade B, 10 gauge SS#117301is finally home.
The barrels are in excellent condition and the bottom of the lug is marked 68 and 34. I now there is number of devoted short 10-gauge shooters in this forum. I would appreciate any information, comments or advise you can offer me for the gun and shooting a short 10-gauge.
Thank you in advance, Bill K

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the numbers stamped on lug 68 and 34 are the last 2 numbers of the load it was patterned with. {1 1/4 oz of 8 have 512 pellets so it would be 368 and 334}I think it was a 1 1/4 oz of 8's.?? full and mod?? Pete Lester could tell you for sure he knows the Remington's. Very NICE gun!!! scott

Marc Retallack 09-13-2015 12:05 PM

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Very nice BE Bill. I wish mine had the condition yours has.

1906 BE 10ga with 32" Etoile 3 B. P. Damascus barrels

Dave Noreen 09-13-2015 12:25 PM

According to Remington Arms Co. catalogues of the period 1 1/4 ounce of #8 chilled counted 511. So, 334/511 = 65.4% and 368/511 = 72.0%.

I need a 10-gauge Remington Hammerless Double. So far all that have come my way have been 12- and 16-gauges. In that I already have all the grades from K to D, I guess what I really need is an EE-/EEO-Grade 10-gauge. I may have quite a wait!! For casual shooting with old tens a set of Gauge Mates makes life a lot easier.

Congrats on a nice find.

Pete Lester 10-01-2015 04:15 PM

If I recall correctly no hang tags have been found for a 10ga Remington 1894. Although the 12ga Rem's were patterned with 1 1/4 ounce of #8 it is unknown if the 10ga's were patterned with the same load. That is a very high condition '94 and a nice B grade. Pattern it with your favorite loads and see what it does. The Remington's I have measured had long choke tapers, up to 6 inches and they will often shoot very tight patterns.

Dave Noreen 10-01-2015 04:46 PM

As far as I know a hang tag for a Remington Arms Co. 10-gauge double has not come to light. However, the heaviest 10-gauge loads Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered in 1900, the year the gun in question was probably made, was 3 3/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder pushing 1 1/4 ounces of shot out of their TRAP shell. A few years later UMC sped up the 10-gauge loads a bit with up to 4 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 34 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible of Ballistite pushing that same 1 1/4 ounce of shot out of their ARROW shell.

Pete Lester 10-01-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noreen (Post 178576)
As far as I know a hang tag for a Remington Arms Co. 10-gauge double has not come to light. However, the heaviest 10-gauge loads Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered in 1900, the year the gun in question was probably made, was 3 3/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder pushing 1 1/4 ounces of shot out of their TRAP shell. A few years later UMC sped up the 10-gauge loads a bit with up to 4 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 34 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible of Ballistite pushing that same 1 1/4 ounce of shot out of their ARROW shell.

I suspect it would have been 1 1/4 ounce for testing in the Remmy 10's, but what shot size? If they used 7.5's instead of 8's the numbers translate to a higher percentage i.e. a tighter choke.

Richard Flanders 10-01-2015 08:42 PM

Gorgeous gun! Can't have been used too much. What a beauty. Clean it up a bit and it will look like a million bucks.


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