10 ga remington
 

this evening i got a AEgrade remington that pete lester found for me..it has steel barrels 30 inch long..its a fair looking gun stock has about 3 inches of drop but really suits me i hope to get to shoot it tommorrow to see how many holes i can put in old doc the can at 70 steps..its a fairly light gun at about 9 lbsit swings and points well..remingtons are well made guns espically the 1894 model which this gun is.bores are good in this old gun...charlie

look out Dr Pepper


let us know how it shoots Charlie

Way to go Charlie. I'd like to see that gun.

Charlie I can post a few pictures I took of it at the store if that is OK.

its ok pete to post the pictures..charlie

Here it is. It's a Remington 1894 10 gauge AE (ejectors), with 32" Remington steel (fluid) barrels made in the last year of production, 1910. 10ga 1894's are uncommon and fluid steel pretty rare. The gun had been refinished, barrels reblued, stock and checkering redone. There is on old red recoil pad with a duck or goose on it, anybody know what brand pad it is? Chambers are 2 7/8", Chokes are right .037 and left .042. It would have followed me home from the KTP but the drop is more than my frame can handle. Charlie had commented to me last year that if I see another good deal on a 10ga 1894 to let him know. Now he has one :-)

very cool, looks like it is in great shape, now all we need to see is the Dr Pepper can

I like the recoil pad bird, perfect for a 10 gauge

If it has steel barrels it is not an AE-Grade. An AE-Grade has two-stripe Damascus barrels. It would be either an AER- or AEO-Grade, and from the pictures it is an AER-Grade. Something quite unusual with that extra inch and a half of top tang?!? Normal top tang about this long --

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I believe that is the first 10-gauge I've ever seen on the later style action. Great find!! Congrats!!

The recoil pad looks like a late Fray-Mershon or an early Pachmayr but with that fowl on the face I suspect it was a proprietary made for Sears, Montgomery Ward, Western Auto, etc.

Dave, the top tang is unusual and longer than what I have seen before. I can't imagine why anyone would lengthen the top tang unless it was done to hide or repair a crack in the wood. I How did you identify the "late action", by pin placement in side of frame? What year did the later style action come out?

Like the recoil pad. Looks good on that gun. There is a lot og life left in that old gun.

Yes. Seems like the new style action with the seperate firing pins appeared along with the FE-Grade Trap Gun in 1906.

New style cut-away and parts diagram --

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Older style cut-away and parts diagram --

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I had barely posted my comment about not seeing 10-gauges on the new style action that one of my interlocutors sent me pictures of his 1907 vintage CEO-Grade 10-gauge!!!

Thanks Dave, I think my AE 10ga is the new style you describe the pins seem to be in the same some spots, but maybe there is a subtle difference. According to Semmer's book mine is from 1905. The flash seems to have distorted the pins, they look normal in person.

To me that looks like the wider spacing between the hammer pin and sear pin of the early-style action --

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later-style action --

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Now I see the difference, thanks.

i too see the differance in the early and late models..i shot the remington 10 yesterday but did not get to pattern it...i shot a can at about 60 steps use ing little skeetersreducers from 10 to 12 ga..it really moved that old can i did not even walk out and see how many holes because i had already shot the can several times...the gun shoots good..the right barrel is marked with53 and the left is marked with 40..i know that remington marked the barrels as to how many shotit put in the target but this dont seem right does it..and pete measured the choke and the left barrel has more choke than the right but the numbers says differant.whats ya lls theory on this...charlie

Very nice find Charlie

Charlie as you know the last two digits of the pattern count is stamped on the barrel lug rather than the barrels. If you look at the attached picture of both my 1894 AE 10ga and my Mod. 1900 12ga you will see Remington was inconsistent in where serial numbers are stamped and which direction they can be read, same for the pellet count. I assume the lower number no matter how stamped is the right barrel. My 10ga is choked, .046 right and .045 left. Patterns were 92.5% to 93+ %. The last two digits of you gun would make it seem it patterned tighter than mine at the factory if that is possible as my stampings 26 and 45. Charles Semmers book says there are no surviving hang tags known for a Remington 1894 10ga or 16ga so they do not know the shot size and weight they were patterned with. 12 ga Remingtons used 1 1/4 ounce of 8 but Semmer said he thinks 10ga were patterned with a different load.

When the pellet count is only two digits, a leading 3 is implied. In that the heaviest 10-gauge shells UMC was producing at the time Model 1894s were being built, were 1 1/4 ounce, I feel pretty safe in concluding the 10-gauges were patterned with the same 1 1/4 ounce of #8c as the 12-gauges. And, I'm equally convinced the 16-gauges were patterned with one ounce of #8c.

Dave you are a wealth of information and I would seldom ever disagree with you but in the case of what load was used by Remington to pattern model 1894 10 gauges I do. If you look on page 258 of Semmer's book he discussed the 1 1/4 ounce of 8's being used to pattern 12ga guns but he goes on to say 10 and 16 gauge guns were different and that he thinks larger shot was used in the 10 gauge.

I agree with him because if the same load was used then each 10 gauge 1894 I have seen threw a more open pattern than the average 12ga 1894 and 1900. Look at my picture, do you think that 10ga threw a more open pattern with .045 and .046 of choke and .792 bores than that 12ga with .024 of choke? Looking at the stamps on those lugs that is what a leading 3 would imply for the same load being used and there is no way that would happen then or will happen today.

If they used 1 1/4 ounce of 7 1/2's in a 10 gauge and a leading 3 is implied, my 10 ga in that picture would have patterned 326 out of 423 (77%) and 345 our of 423 (81.5%). It patterned 92.5% and 93% with a modern load of #6 so I think the numbers are realistic.

Until we find a 10-gauge hang tag or two it is all conjecture, and we can each conjecture any way we want!! There are some interesting inconsistancies in the hang tags, like this one pictured in Charles' book --

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It gives loads for all three gauges on the back, but doesn't mention the amount of shot in the loads, just powder charges?!? On the front of the tag it says the gun was targetted with load X8, 24 grains of Infallible pushing 1 1/4 ounce of No. 8 chilled shot, in a 2 5/8 inch Nitro Club shell. However, in all my UMC catalogues from 1903 on, load X8 is only offered in a 2 3/4 inch or longer shell?!?

i patterned the 10 ga remington ae grade today..30 inch circle 40 yards..no6 shot lead..there was 186 no 6 shot in each of loads fired...right barrel had 130 hits the left barrel had 161 hits..so now i need somebody to tell me what percentage this old gun is throwing..i cannot find my calculator and shore forgot how to divide it...

.6989247 % in right barrel and .8655913 % in left barrel so , extra full in left and full in right. nice

Charlie, what are you shooting for a load, are you sure it was #6? I ask because there are supposed to be 225 #6 to an ounce. 186 would be under 7/8 ounce which seems light for a 10.

It just so happens there are 186 #4 pellets to a 1 3/8 ounce load.

pete i have a old shot and powder measuring cup i got some where that i used for measuring the loads i shot..itwas set on 1 1/8 ounce but its wrong for sure i counted the load..i guess i need to get me another measuring cup..i thought there should be more than 186 of no 6 in this load...no 6 for sure...i will have to make up some more loads and retry the old remy..one thing for sure this gun shoots dead center on aim both barrels... charlie

well i patterned the old 10 ga remy again this evening...i weighed out 1 1/8 ounce of no 6 shot.pattern board 30 inches at 40 yards..here are the results i did not have time to count the shot of no 6 in a 1 1/8 ounce load so maybe one of yall can look at the chart s..the rs barrel put 210 holes in the paper the l s barrel put 204 in the paper now whats the percentage. charlie

210/253 = 83%, 204/253 = 80.6%

my old shot cup is off 2 notches i had to bring it down to 1 3/8 ounce mark to hold the weighed no 6 shot.. charlie

heh pete you still got the shootiest remy...ha guess i m gona have to trade guns...charlie

Charlie you might want to try a different powder/load, my patterns used 22 grains of Green Dot. Green Dot is well known for producing tight patterns.

green dot it will be for the next round of pattern s.. charlie