Is there a suppport group??
 

Okay, so I'm minding my own business and check the email and GA has a wishlist item pop up. I look and say leave it alone but ask the seller a few questions anyway. Any good reasons to pass??

How about

1. The kids need new shoes (nope, they are grown and gone)
2. I don't need it (true, but what about wanting??)
3. Valentine's day is fast approaching and I know this isn't for her
4. Those kind of barrels routinely blow up just looking at them
5. It looks unmolested so it probably has totally seized up innards
6. Way too many handling marks for the exorbitant price tag
7. It only has 28" barrels so probably hacked off 32 incher
8. I'm really looking for SN 27631 not the jumbled version 176023
9. It only has extractors
10. I won't have to worry because after posting the link I will have become an enabler for another poor addict.

If it is still on there 3 days from now and no one has given a good reason to pass, I may have to scratch the itch again.

Cheers,
Jack

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I think you have to go with # 4:shock:

I think 10 will probably happen....:rolleyes:

Let's ask John Dunkle to create a support group forum for those collectors who believe or were told they may be addicted. We can all get on-line at predetermined times. There will be 12 steps to recovery and each person can start out introducing themselves in humble fashion ex. My name is E. Robert Fabian, I live in Strafford NH and I have a problem...........:rotf:

Geez Dave, now you have me reconsiderng the time frame. I had to recover the listing from trash and instead of 3 days, I will wait 3 hours. In all humility: My name is Jack. I live in a frozen wasteland. I have a problem....

Jack

Perhaps you should consider moving south of the 49th. I'm sure you could find a doctor to sign off on your addiction, allowing you to collect social security disability. It would certainly afford you more time to "nurse" your affliction;).

I was going to say something about the benefits of group therapy... but in rethinking the possibility I have come to the conclusion that we should really be seperated from one-another and shouldn't even be allowed to communicate with each-other. This is not just a disease that can be transmitted through bodily contact or even breathing the same air but can be contracted by merely communicating via e-mail, PMs or even posting on threads like this :coffee:

A Parker Pandemic :eek: I think Dean is bang on. I lived most my life with one Parker in it. Then it had a problem. I came here for help. Now I really need help My name is Jack..................................

Can we use an alias? My name is "Old Pollock" and there is this certain 16gauge O Frame in my future. This time I think I will use the rationale of "Geez they aren,t makin these anymore so I better get it now".

Oh Well....So Step one is recognizing I have a problem....Ya I have a problem all right...not enough cash....:crying:

It bit again :eek: 12 ga DH damascus 30" barrels, not messed with so it came home with me today and yes it was another Parker member that told me about it so I think Dean is right "No communication with any other Parker owners, period.":nono:

Eric,Believe me I tried that it doesn't work....:throw:

Dave, I don't think my wife wanted to hear that..............:rotf:

Very true.

I have a couple of other "gunaholic" buddies that make my wife cringe when we get together. We are in complete uspport of each other with says such as "When was the last time you saw one ... that nice?" and "You know that is a good price, remember the one we saw at the show that looked like it had been used as a boat paddle!":rotf:

"Old Pollacks never die- they just keep on truckin'--
 

With due apologies to both Gen. Douglas MacArthur and The Grateful Dead-- Nice 12- PH or GH with the Twist barrels? I don't buy from the auction sites, but as someone once said "Just because a man is on a diet doesn't mean he can't peruse the menu all he wants"--

Dave, I think you'd like the PH 16 with 26" Twist barrels on the 0 frame I recently bought- and had lettered- shipped off to a dealer in Maine in June 1908- with 26" barrels as ordered. Brother Harry Collins helped me get a replacement top lever spring, and you also gave me some good details on the King 18 pc. action design-

It works fine (albiet with snap caps- haven't gotten any BP loads yet-) and the other day I showed it to a member of our Hunt Club- he is an over-under man (mainly the Italian guns) and a fine shot- when he put it up to his shoulder (I hadn't told him it was a 16) just that it was a 100 year old Parker, his remark to me was "Wow, a 20 gauge- what a sweet well balanced double"

I think part and parcel of the "Parkeritis" that bites so many of us severly at times is- many of us here are getting "long in the tooth" and we yearn for the boyhood days afield with parent and grandparents- No condos or golf courses, no Posted signs, rural folks all knew each other and knew how to be good neighbors, you could buy a M12, a Ithaca NID, shells and even dynamite and fuse from any rural hardware store in America's heartland without question-- Times have sure changed- I think the late Robert Ruark predicted this in one of his stories "Same Knife, Different Boy"- :duck:

Oh my goodness....you guys are too funny!!!
Shall we guess which 1 I vote for? Number 3!!!
A support group? hmmmm......have been a nurse for 25 years...and spent a 'few' of those as a nurse in a prison(only place they would pay me to tell men what to do). So I am pretty good at 'advising' men. I think I would be a pretty good facillitater of this group. First order of business will be my fees. You will have little left to buy any more Parkers with....and my single Parker will soon have company!!!:rotf:

Ahhh Francis, now we wax philosophically. Those were glory days (to rob from the Boss) and much missed. As a kid I was able to rent a gun for a friend for the day so he could come deer hunting - no questions asked. One day I was at an airport just because it was fun to watch the planes. A passenger jet landed and I had not seen such a machine up close and personal. I walked into the airport and asked an old security guard (just one in the whole place) if I could have a look at that plane. He said sure, so I walked out, climbed the ramp, had a look around, came back and said thanks. All my guns are "old", newest being a pump I bought as my first brand new gun and a little .22/.410 shortly thereafter (circa 1970). The oldest ones are recently acquired and a result of being "helped" here. I am lucky enough to still be able to find good habitat to hunt upland birds with permission from land owners, I would enjoy another day in the field with Dad and his hunting friends but my "teeth are getting long", putting me at the thin end of the wedge of the ever thinning hunting fraternity. Time waits for nobody (Freddy Mercury)

Jack, We down here in the South where it is warm and balmy are being subjected to some our your "frozen wastland" weather. Please take it back! I refuse to get addicted to it. So unfair. Does shooting at the storm help? Please advise! David

David: No, no, no.......... You don't want it taken back. It is not unfair. Did you not get the memo? It has been sent as a gift. Yes, you can shoot at the storm and it is really really good. It will enhance your opportunities for great Sunday dinners because the ducks and geese are low and slow and routinely pass through the shot patterns launched. Now if you don't like that environment to exercise your Parker, then be very careful about shooting at the storm only. You will risk seeding the clouds, thereby causing even greater precipitation and even better shooting for others who know of what I speak. (Beware though, as some of them carry pumps, O/U's and autos, increasing the risk of expanding a simple Parker addiction to yet another level)
Cheers and brrrrrrrr

Jack

Now, back to the deck for my iced yet somehow steaming libation. Here the glass is always half full because you can't get further than that before it becomes a lump of ice

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Jack your in luck regarding the support group. I am thinking of opening a Canadian branch of Parkers by O.P.M (other peoples money) where as I am the CFO and CPO (Chief Parker Officer) I'll need someone to head the Canadian office. Were a small grass roots organization and meet in the fall of designated coverts that are kept secret (so know one shows up with a new 28ga) untill the last possible minute.

When the itch strikes a member he contacts his handler who guides him through the withdrawl process usually with the help of some members from Tennesse down around Lynchburg way. Once all the pros and cons have been sorted out and an intelligent and rational decision is reached can the member be released from therapy by his handler.

If this method of treatment proves unsuccesful (as it usually does) then ALL Parkers, Fox's, Ithaca's, W21's and even M70's are sent to the handler until the afflicted member sufficently recovers his good sence. In extreme cases his computer is confiscated and he becomes barred from sites such as Gunbroker, Guns International, Gun Room etc.

This is a proven method and as both safes are full its working.....I'm not in need of a third safe......yet:duck:

Probably too late for me. Third safe needed. I suppose I may qualify for VP (Verified Parkerholic)

Woah is me as I stumbeled into a GH 16ga 0 frame at a gun show yesterday. She is serial # 70xxx (I can't remembr the rest) and has good wood, perfect screws, good demensions and 30 inch damascuss bbls. Bore diameter is 662/668 and min wall thickness is 33 thousandths. A barrel lug repair is the only downside.

I ponder the pro's and con's:banghead::banghead:

We have already have had this conversation: Step 1 Admit you have a problem.Step 2 Buy the damn gun Step 3 Refer to step 1 :fg:

Pro (only one needed) = Parker
Cons: Concept Causes Confusion when Pro=Parker

After careful deliberation and consultation I have decided to take the high road and pass on this wonderfull Parker for many reasons none of which lie with the gun. Just to many irons in the fire and to many other places to put $4K.

See my program does work!:crying:

Wall thickness- how measured please??
 

The little 0 frame PH 16 with 26" twist barrels has a wall thickness at muzzles of: 0.030" right barrel, 0.037" left barrel-- at breech area 0.143" right barrel, 0.143 left barrel-- I have thought about a wall thickness gauge as an addition to my gunroom/toolroom items- I have seen barrel men use them at various side-by events, what is the best make and model and place to buy one- new or used?? Thanks

Check Brownell's offerings.

The Manson gauge at Brownell's. Not real easy to use, but cheap. Someone at the Vintagers showed me a trick that makes it easier to use than the way we were originally taught. The "hanging" method is actually not the best for home use. Live and learn.

Bill, please explain the better method, if you would.

Dean

A link to the Manson gauge at Brownell's. First I have seen at a low price. Interested in Bill's better method also.

That $100 price from Brownells is the cheapest I've ever seen for a Manson. If I didn't already have one I'd do that in a heartbeat.

That's the one I bought from Brownell's more than a year ago for the same price (I think).

Hello, Bill? Please explain the better method...

The method involves using the Manson gauge in a horizontal position with the barrels in a vise, not too good for gun show use unless you have a table. I already have a hanging ring on the end opposite the micrometer. You may need to install one in the hole supplied. This ring should be large enough to conveniently run your finger through it to support that end without exerting side pressure. Zero the micrometer with the gauge in a horizontal position, holding the non micrometer rod at the ball end while zeroing. Run the non micrometer rod into the barrel and read your micrometer at any point in the barrel. Notice there is no problem with wavering readings as long as you use the ring to support the non micrometer end. The vise held barrels eliminate the wavering and false readings we get when using the hanging method. The disadvantage is that the barrels must be rotated in the vise to measure different surfaces of the barrels. I still like this method better than the hanging method when I have access to padded vises. I have not seen a vise that rotates around the horizontal axis, but that vise would be ideal in that the vise could be rotated to measure all surfaces of the barrels without removing the barrels from the vise.

Jon Hosford's beautiful new bore gauge works by a similar method, but measures a bunch of gauges and comes in a fitted wood box. Jon is a great guy. When I told him I owned a Manson gauge and couldn't afford one of his great tools, he showed me how to use my $100 gauge to work like his. Now who else would do that? He will probably be at the Southern demonstrating his gauge. Stop by and say "hi".

Bill, you could put a tapered dowel in the vise that fits in the bbl end or breach and then rotate the bbls.
Rather than lock the bbls in the vise. Of course you need set to accomidate
different gauges.
Hosford has a video with instuctions on how to use his gauge.

Sounds like a good method Bill. Have to think about putting a ring in my Manson. There are rotating vises to be had. I see two in the latest Rutland master catalog, one a nice Wilton, the other likely a Chinese knockoff but v. nice looking and only $81.

Here is a link to John Hosford's website with a video of how to measure barrel wall thickness:

http://vimeo.com/5011609

Carl,

Thanks for posting that.Very nice gauge!

Hosford or Manson

Quite a price difference.

The Hosford comes nicely packaged and very portable without need for a vice. It handles .410 to 10 gauge and can be table mounted for use at gun shows, auction viewings or your own bench.

The Manson does the job but requires a vice thus not the same portability.

From cost/effectiveness perspective:

If all the work will be done in a shop, Manson may be the right gauge.

If the measurements are on the road as a collector/accumulator then Hosford may be the right gauge.

I assume both will give you the same results as far as correct measurement is concerned.

Missing anything or got something wrong??

Jack

Jack- can you use the Manson gauge to read choke constrictions?
 

I'm thinking of buying the Manson gauge from Brownell's-is it USA mfg?? And where did you see a Chinese knock-off of the great Wilton vise? I have two Wiltons and a older Parker and Snow in my workshop- the Parker was from my late grand-dad's machine shop-- Call me and old-fashioned guy (and you would be 100% right about that) but I'll do without before I buy ANY tool from the oriential countries--so you can guess that I don't shop much a Wally-World-Mart either--cheap crap- the most expensive thing on a job is a cheap tool, like a "fair-weather friend" it will let you down everytime--IMO

And Jack, on another thread I believe you were discussing "Back Door" mfg. Parkers, correct. So I can learn here, are those "unknown Old Reliables" about the same breed of cat as the 'lunch box specials?""

A back Door Parker-lessee here- Parkers went out of production around 1940 in Ilion, about the same time the late Jim Morrison was born- he died in 1971, doubt if he owned any firearms, so a Back Door Parker Man- probably not!!:rolleyes:

Tom Leshinski is correct. The barrels can be mounted on a slightly tapered dowel and rotated without loosening and tightening the vise jaws. Of course, something has to hold the dowel. It can be a simple clamp as long as it is secure. I think Jon and I discussed this when he was giving me the block of instruction. I'm sorry this discussion isn't on a dedicated thread, but I'm sure it is available to all interested in it.