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Chuck Bishop 04-21-2014 09:03 AM

Looking for information
 
When looking at the IBM cards, many times a "T.C." is found next to peoples names. T.C. is not found when sold to a company. I found one card where it was written out more, it said "T. Sample." Sometimes T.C. is followed by what looks like a/c, afc, or ofc.

The names of these people are sometimes recognized such as AA. Reihl, C. Baldwin, G. Peret, and N. Apgar. Other names like J.G. Heath (many), D.W. Flannigan (many), D.N. Hood, M.E. Hicks, etc., I don't recognize.

I'm thinking that these people are Parker/Remington employees or shooters who shoot Parker guns and are given these guns as samples to display, shoot, and sell.

Does anyone have solid ideas as to what T.S means. I believe the ofc stands for office. I've seen quite a few "cc ofc" meaning copy the office.

Bill Murphy 04-21-2014 10:00 AM

Don't know about TS, but those guys are mostly Remington shooters, maybe some just salesmen. Maybe leafing through Order Book #101 will solve the mystery of the initials TS. If some of those guys had many mentions, I would guess "Tournament Samples". Remington always had a big presence at the Grand American. Trade sample?

Dean Romig 04-21-2014 10:13 AM

Chuck, your question just prompted me to take a look at some Remington IBM cards I have and I can see your confusion...

How about "R.G." and "Pro" noted on so many of the IBM cards?
H.P. Sheldon's gun has both of these notations on the IBM card.

Chuck Bishop 04-21-2014 11:52 AM

Bill, I'm thinking Trade Sample or Tournament Sample too. I haven't been able to find a S/N that is listed in both the IBM cards and in Repair Book 101.

Dean, the Pro you see on every IBM card I believe is short for the word produced. I've found a different person who wrote in the info on the card and he spelled it Prod.. Usually the Pro date is a few days before the shipping date however I've seen many examples where the Pro date was a few days after the shipping date. How can that happen?

R.G. shows up quite often, sometimes by itself, sometimes followed by a date, and quite often it was "warehouse to factory." I've also found examples that said E & D. I've found E & D written out more fully and it reads "Employees and Disp, Sales Dept, Remington Arms. I've also seen E & D to Advertising Dept. What Disp means, I have no clue. Perhaps the gun was bought by an employee.

Dean Romig 04-21-2014 12:05 PM

A1S No. 191049 has an IBM card.... are there any specific items of note on this gun, or was it just sent to Remington for work?

Bill Murphy 04-21-2014 12:59 PM

As I recall, 191,049 was a 28 gauge A1-Special that was sent out with numerous salesmen and to numerous dealers and I assume, finally sold. It is probably represented on several IBM cards and also in Order Book #101. Dean, tell us about your IBM card collection.

Chuck Bishop 04-21-2014 02:25 PM

I only have a Work Order Tag and Repair/Return book #101 for this A-1 Special. The S/N would the date of manufacture in 1920. The earliest entry in Book # 101 for 191049 is 1927 and the last entry is August 1934. Every entry in #101 is for a credit return. The gun sure made it's way through out the country!

Dean, how do you know there is an IBM card for this gun?

Dean Romig 04-21-2014 02:34 PM

I have photographic copies of just a few IBM cards which I received as part of all the editorial CD's and papers entrusted to me from Austin when I assumed the editorship. The IBM card copies were probably in Austin's possession as part of research material for a Parker Pages article.

They are not for sale or or for distribution in any form as this would be counterproductive to Chuck's research letter efforts.

Chris Travinski 04-21-2014 04:11 PM

Could Disp be short for display, a gun made for a special event like the Worlds Fair.

David Noble 04-21-2014 09:05 PM

I can't offer any suggestions on the notations and codes but I do know from some previous research on a 16ga GHE with 30" barrels that J. G. Heath was a Remington UMC sales manager and trap shooter. He order the mentioned gun in 1936. I seem to remember the barrels flats had a Rem repair code indicating an employee purchase.

Chuck Bishop 04-21-2014 09:41 PM

Thanks David. What is the serial number of that GHE?

Richard B. Hoover 04-21-2014 10:15 PM

I apologize this is a it off topic, but Iwould like to know if anyone ever figured out the meaning of F9R that crops upon the water tables of many early lifters?


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