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GH 8
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By popular request . . . here are some photos of the new 8.
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Frame Size Comparison
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Bottom to top: Trojan 20 gauge on no. 0 frame; VH 16 gauge on no. 1 frame; GH 12 gauge on no. 2 frame; DH 10 gauge on no. 3 frame; GH 8 gauge on no. 6 frame.
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That thing is a monster! Look at the thickness of the wrist compared to the rest.
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Shotgun shell size comparison
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L - R : 8, 10, 12, 16 & 20
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Brian, it made the DH 10 you fixed for me look like a 410. Not even I was expecting it to be so big
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What year was it made? I think mine was 1913. It looks very similar.
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Mine is 1913 as well.
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mills that is one fine gun but i belive its a little bit big for the wife..the shell collection is great...and it makes a 10 ga look awful small.lordy i love these big old gun s...have you got to shoot and pattern the big 8 with 8 ga shell s yet..what a gun you have and with a single trigger....charlie
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Not only a nice 8, you must be proud of the whole group!!! All very nice.
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That gun is a BEAST. Great pics! Congrats!!!
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Very Nice! Is that a Miller single trigger?
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Those are some great pictures. I like picture 4 the best.
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That single trigger is to keep you from wanting to pull both triggers. :-)
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Yes......but what if it makes the decision for you?
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It is a Miller single trigger. Here is a picture of the selector which is built into the safety. I got the research letter back and it says it was sent back to the factory to have the chambers lengthened for 3 1/2 shells.
I have not been able to shoot Charlie's shells in it yet. We were out of town most of this weekend and not anywhere I could shoot. |
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Here is a comparison of the 8 to the 20. Now I need a 28 and maybe a 410.
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Lordy, Lordy---them barrels look almost as big as the tree behind it.
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Finally Mills,your search is over. Congrats on a nice looking gun. I would'nt want to have to buy your ammo for you.:rotf:
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Mills, I have a single 8ga primed paper hull. Been kicking around. I will bring it to the southern. It is yours.
Based on the looks of the chamber wall thickness, it doesn't appear they couldn't have built an 8 on any smaller than a 6 frame. You did good on that one Mills. When you first started looking, I know you were after a fixer upper. That one looks like anything but. |
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Thanks for the shell Brian! Yes, I started out looking for a fixer up, but this one does not need anything. The stock is brand new.
I have had a 10 double on me a few times and it was not that bad. Hope that does not happen with this one. My son looked at the trigger and said the gun was missing a trigger. |
Congrats Mills on a super nice Parker! You done good.
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Mills bring that gun to the Southern, I may know that gun.....
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FWIW, here is my 8-gauge UMC/Rem-UMC shotshell offerings info --
I have looked through some of my old Union Metallic Cartridge Co. catalogues, and find their 8-gauge shells were only offered loaded with bulk smokeless powder or black powder. I don't find any 8-gauge loadings with dense smokeless powders. In 1903, 04 and 05, UMC's 8-gauge shell was the "Trap" shell, green in color. Bulk smokeless powder loads were -- 5 drams with 1 1/2 ounces of shot 5 1/2 drams with 1 3/4 ounce of shot 6 drams with 2 ounces of shot. In black powder loads they offered -- 5 drams with 1 1/2 ounces of shot 5 1/2 drams with 1 3/4 ounces of shot 6 drams with 2 ounces of shot 6 1/2 drams with 2 ounces of shot 6 1/2 drams with 2 1/4 ounces of shot 7 drams with 2 ounces of shot 7 drams with 2 1/4 ounces of shot. None of these catalogues mention the length of the shell these loads are put up in. UMC's primed empty 8-gauge paper shell, equivalent to the "Trap" shell, was head stamped "Expert" and was offered in 3 1/4 inch length for $25 per thousand, and 3 1/2 to 4 inch lengths for $28 per thousand. By 1910, the "Trap" and "Expert" were gone and the 8-gauge offerings were in the "Arrow" shell, salmon color. Bulk smokeless powder loads offered were listed as being in a 3 1/4 inch case -- 5 drams with 1 1/2 ounces of shot 5 1/2 drams with 1 3/4 ounces of shot. There was no offering of loaded extra length 8-gauge shells. Black powder loads offered were -- 5 drams with 1 1/2 ounces of shot 6 drams with 1 3/4 ounces of shot 7 drams with 2 ounces of shot. The "Arrow" primed empty 8-gauge shells were stamped HANDLOADED on the side and were offered in 3 1/4 inch length for $25 per thousand and the 3 1/2 to 4 inch lengths for $28 per thousand, and all carried the notation "bulk powder only." Through the 1915-16 Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge Co. catalogue the 8-gauge offerings remained the same as 1910. By the 1918-19 Rem-UMC catalogue only the 3 ¼ inch empties were being offered and the only bulk smokeless load was 5 ½ drams with 1 ¾ ounce of shot. Black powder loads remained the same. |
Beautiful gun, very nice clean engraving, enjoy. And yes heading in the other direction 28 then 410...Congrats
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Thanks for all the responses and compliments.
Dave, thank you for that loading info. |
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Mills, sorry if I am cutting in on your thread, I will delete this if you wish. I love comparison like this, though, and here is a photo I took for my brother some time ago. It's the GH8 Damascus below the GH28 Damascus.
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No problem Fishtail. Great photo!
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Greg that GH 28 damascuss has to be a rare gun. What are the barrel lengths and chokes? Perhaps you could share more with us as it deserves it's own thread.
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It is a 26" barrel gun with 14" LOP. I don't recall the chokes other than 'it has some'. I'll see what I can dig up on it, it's been a while since I pulled it out of the safe. It lettered from 1903.
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You will know you pulled the trigger with the 6 dram 2 oz black powder load. The gun is awesome Mills. Let us know if you find any cleaning tools for the 8ga. Charlie and I have had to improvise a lot.
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Thanks Wayne. My 12 gauge rod seemed to do just fine. I angled it a little bit to get an extra grip on the crud
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C.O.B., the 28GH has chokes of .008" and .037" and was one of 2 guns featured in an article in Autumn 2004 DGJ (before I owned it).
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The first time I fired mine (with black powder) I took it out side and washed it out with the garden hose.
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According to The Parker Story there were 38 28-gauge Damascus barrel GH-/GHE-Grades. 15 with 26-inch barrels. First one I ever saw was "Grandma's Gun" that showed up at Potomac Arms in Alexandria, Virginia, and I put Kevin McCormack onto it. See The Double Gun Journal, Volume Eight, Issue 3.
A meeting at a Pennsylvania Turnpike rest area to compare "Grandma's Gun" and a similar gun from Western PA -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...dHerSister.jpg |
Mills: Have you ordered a research letter on your 8? Congratulations on a great find.
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Brian, just for info, Parker also built the 8 on 5 frames. I owned one many years ago.
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Bill, that must have been a "light weight" as far as 8's go - do you remember the weight of that one?
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I would like to see a 5 frame 8 gauge just to compare to mine. This 6 frame is a little on the heavy and cumbersome side, but I am not complaining. |
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Those 28 gauge GHs' are nice. Hopefully, one will find its way to my safe one day:whistle: |
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