Hammer for 16 ga 0 frame
 

I'm a new PGCA member and have a field grade 1885 Parker 16 ga, 0 frame, s/n 46155, that I need a right hammer and screw for. Attached are photos of the Parker, with the the left side showing the Parker hammer pattern I'm looking for. As you can see it's a field grade gun and a pretty plain pattern. The right side photo shows the non-original hammer I need to replace. I also need an original pattern screw for this hammer.

I have tried Numrich and Dick Chubb, but both are out of stock. I assume Tom Carter might be able to provide the screw, but can anyone suggest another hammer source? Or is posting on Wanted to Buy my best bet?

Thanks.

welcome to the board, great gun - a 16 - nice

a matching right hammer for any Parker may be a holy grail sort of thing :rotf: I think there are more AHEs on the market than right hammers.

it seems, and I would guess due to the right being used more often, the right is the most often lost or broken.

get the screw from Tom, for hammers - watch eBay - just don't bid against me - I need one for a lifter :corn:

if you find a matching set that works - that would be your best bet

Thanks.

The right being broke most often does make sense and I will take a set if I get the opportunity. Had seen that advice before, but thought it was mostly for getting a good match; now I see it could well be the only opportunity to get any right hammer at all. And will see if Tom can make me a screw.

Hadn't realized Ebay would be much of a chance, so thanks for that. Promise not to bid against as long as I recognize yer handle!

Appreciate the help.

Yeah, put up a want as here as well as keep an eye on eBay.

Keep in touch with me as well. I has a spare left hammer right now, but not a right. But I get things in all the time. Hammers usually do not last long. Especially matched sets. I will keep you in mind.

Does your 16g with 0 frame have the milled out lightening cuts in the water table?

OK, will do, and will keep you posted as well - thanks. I realize that I need to take a set if available and reasonable.

No lightening cuts in the water table. Had noticed that on other guns; is that a big positive?

Thanks much for the help.

A matched pair of hammers are not always needed. But they are a plus. Sometimes you get good matches, or differences are so minute that they are not too noticed.

The lightening cuts are just a feature that most find neat. They were used on guns with very light weights. Sometimes even the underside of the forend iron would be milled out as well.

How long are your barrels, Mike?

28 in, Edgar, and appear to be about imp. mod. and full, or slightly less, according to my gauge.

Thanks. The reason I asked is because most of the 26" guns I've seen or heard of, did have lightened frames, and I don't recall any 30" 0 frame guns that were. It seems to be a weight vs balance thing. Have you checked the serialization book to confirm is was built as a 28" gun?

that serial number lists as a 28" 16 ga

Edgar, no, I hadn't checked and really appreciate OH's reply. I'm not surprised that it came from Meriden as a 28" since I couldn't detect any indication of the bbls having been cut, but I'm no expert. Your comments on the apparent relationship of bbl lenth to the lightening cuts are interesting.

I don't suppose either of you would have any leads on an original pattern right hammer?

Edgar, my 16 hammer gun on an O frame with 28" barrels has the lightening cuts, and weighs about 6 and a half pounds. It's in the same serial range as the subject gun.

My gun weighs 6 lb 11 oz. The scale is old, but appears to be w/in an oz or 2.

Use the gun, if its safe, and since the odd hammers are on opposite sides, few will notice. Good shooting and a Happy New Year to you. David

I have had four 16 ga hammer guns, three with 28" barrels and one with 26" barrels and all with lightening cuts and have seen a bunch more with lightening cuts with various barrel lengths. I have only seen two o-frame 16 ga. hammerguns without lightening cuts and one of them had 26" barrels.

Without going and measuring the lightning cuts in my 0 frame 16(grade 2 with 26" barrels) I'm guessing the cut may be 1/2" wide by 2" long. That would amount to a tiny bit less than 2 ounces removed. (Steel is .284 pounds/cubic inch)
My gun balances just at the hinge pin, so I was wondering if the cuts were left out of the frames of 30" guns in order to keep the balance point at about the hinge pin also.

Imade an error in my math. So edited it, above. works out to 1.78 ounces

Possibly.

Mike: This maybe what your looking for. Thomas

Thomas, That sure looks like a Parker hammer, But all the ones I have seen have some, or all of the serial number on the back side. Also, he needs the right side hammer.

Edgar, he's showing us the outboard side of the right hammer. It is from a 0-Grade Parker.

Respectfully, Dean

Teach me to come on here without my glasses. No wonder there's no SN.

Numrich sells LCSmith hammer screws. Has anyone ever tried one of those in a Parker in a pinch?? Mikes 16ga looks very nice. I see that the cross screw that holds the lock plates in isn't flush with the plate on the right side. I'd be looking to see why that is that way. Might not be original?? Looks like there's a loose internal screw on the left lock plate also. If those stay loose too long they can get buggered up. I've removed lock plates that had every internal screw loose so I keep close track of mine.

That's a nice 16 ga Mike. I have 46149 with 30 inch bbls. Good luck with that hammer.

Thomas,
Yes, that's awful close. Mine has a double scroll line around the side, but I am still interested. Assuming you're interested in selling this one, would you want to send me a PM on price? What is the background on this hammer? Thanks.
Mike

Angel,
Thanks! That's getting pretty close in SN's. Neat to know. A 16 ga also?
Mike

Thanks Richard,
Good idea, altho I have a nonPrkr screw on the right already. Just trying to come up w/authentic stuff now. Appreciate your comments on the screws. I removed the plates and detailed them since in posted the photos and the internals seemed tight, but I'll reck. Will also study the external cross screw you mentioned. I may have to check w/you to see exactly what you noticed wrong if it isn't obvious to me. Appreciate the help.
Mike

As I recall, that serial number is pretty close to Annie Oakley's 16 ga. Grade-2 hammer gun.