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I dont look at the gun auction sites very often--I want to see the gun up close and personal and hopefully have someone with me who is knowledgeable. I saw a PH 12 on Gunbroker that had Vulcan steel barrels and was said to be all original--is that possible? All I have seen had twist or laminated steel.
Were Trogans available with beavertail forends?--saw one of those on there also.
I have sure learned alot here in the past 2 years, but feel like I'm still in kindergarden.

Harold ,I saw the gun also ,I believe the first set of Barrels were Parker Steel which is correct ,then the ad said there were repair codes stamped on the gun as I recall and that was to suggest the gun had been sent back for the second set which it probably was as it is serialed to the gun and also has it's own forend ,I don't recall if the Vulcan Barreled Forend was stamped as # 2 but the forend iron should be if it was done at the factory ! Also a letter might clear up the fact about the Vulcan Barrels ! Russ

sounds like a mighty nice gun...charlie

riminton did put some vulcan steel barrels on guns other than the traditional vh grade guns...for example I have a grade 2, ghe with Vulcan steel barrels made in December of 1935, according to the date code stamped on the barrels and the research letter.

I have a 24" PHE-16 with steel bbls.

I have a PHE with Parker Steel barrels that I am sure are original to the gun. The beavertail forend on the Trojan would be more suspect.

I think the OP's question related more to Vulcan Steel on a PH than "fluid steel". Can we have the item number so we can look at the ad?

We have Parker literature describing factory availability for new barrels. Guns could be re-barreled at various prices, Vulcans being least expensive. I assume that an owner of a higher grade gun might choose a Vulcan barrel because of cost.

The P grade was the base grade gun until the introduction of the VH and later on the Trojan. The P grade guns had Twist or in rare circumstances Damascus. And the very late P grades had Parker Special steel. The PH was discontinued from the line not long after Fluid steel became the most used barrel steel. So, needless to say, not a lot of PH guns were fitted with fluid steel, so they are considered rarer and more desireable with collectors.

If a PH was sent back to Remington for new barrels, they COULD have been fitted with VH barrels if they had extra Meriden made VH barrels hanging around. But, there should be Repair codes marked on the gun. There was a transistion period where left over Meriden barrels were being used up before Remington used their own barrels on parkers. So, in these cases, there have been higher grade guns found with Vulcan marked barrels on them. But, this is an unlikely scenario for a PH since that grade was dropped from the Parker line before that transition period.

Regarding the Trojan question. The trojan was a grade that was high selling and offered not many options. Special orders were not usually accepted on Trojans, especially from individuals on individual guns.
The only Trojans with BTFE would be the Remington Trojan Skeet guns. And those guns were never really offered for sale to the public. They appeared in a few advertising pieces and only a handfull of Prototypes MIGHT have been built. One surviving example is in the Remington Museum. I do not know if any other surviving Trojan Skeets exist.

Brian ,Not to argue but , not " Parker Spec. Steel " but " Parker Steel "" Barrels . Best ; Russ

No problem Russ. Thanks for the clarification.

I am the lucky caretaker of the very last P grade made, 1931. It's a 20ga. PHE, 26" barrels marked Parker Steel on the rib.

I love that gun. Great condition too!!

Thanks Dean. Even a blind pig finds an acorn.

Daryl , Isn't that similar to winning the lottery !!!!!!!! Would love to see some pictures !

Here ya' go.

Daryl ,What a Wonderful Gun , you are indeed a fortunate fellow to find the last one ,was it advertised as such or did you figure it out after you purchased it ? I remember when I bought the 28 Ga. D Grade ,I was ecstatic to find out when searching the book before I actually purchased the gun that it was the only 25 " barreled D Grade 28 Ga. known to have been made ,I really like things that are unique ! Congrats. on a Great Gun ! Russ

mighty nice p grade.i m glad i got to see the last one of these made...thanks charlie

Interesting story Russ. I'll give you the short version of it. A friend of mine who owns a "black gun" store called me one day and told me a guy was standing there with a 20ga. Parker, they could'nt get it together and the triggers and safety were stuck. He put me on the phone with the gentleman and he gave me the serial #. At that time, the number did'nt mean anything to me except that it was 4 digits away from my other 20ga Parker, 235968. I was at work so I called our esteemed Dave Suponski and asked him to look it up. He came back on the phone with the good news of it's significance and said "Buy it! I met the guy the next day, sealed the deal and also bought a 16ga. mod12, which he had with this gun. I sold the mod12 to Dave S. for I knew he needed another 16ga, and just because he's a good guy. Everyone was happy. Some day I hope to gather all the info and write an article about it. It's an interesting story. Thanks for looking.

Yup and I love shootin that little 16 gauge Model 12! Great gun Daryl and a great find in that sweet little P grade. You just never know where they will turn up.

Very nice gun Daryl. And in good condition too.

Thanks for all the replies. This place is certainly a learning experience. I have always wanted a model 12 in 16 or 20 guage, not hard to find, just haven't done it yet. I have an 80 year old neighbor who has a PH 20 with steel barrels. Haven't been able to get him to sell it to me. It was the first gun he ever bought and has had it since he was a teenager. He doesn't shoot it, but just isn't ready to part with it.
Talked with a friend the other day who said he has a Parker hammer gun in 10 guage---hmm, maybe I'll have to join the "big boys" if I can get hm to part with it--and he needs money,

Dont do it You wont be able to stop with just one. I only intended to own one and already I have five or six.

Thanks Brian. The condition is remarkable considering it was stored in a garage in that take down gun sleeve pictured for over 35yrs.