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J.C. Green BHE
There is a great photo of J.C. Green with his BHE Skeet gun on E Bay # 390661509335
Check out the "Extra" Pair of eyes on his glasses LOL! I bet this guy was a Doozy! Looks like the gun is listed on Guns International. |
Incidently Galazan either sold the two gun 4 barrel Green set , they were taken back by the owner or they just removed them from Guns International !
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I imagine that Remington paid Cliff Green's entry fee to the Great Eastern that year. I am guessing that this is the same Cliff Green that was hunting with Nash Buckingham the day Nash lost Bo Whoop. I wonder what Cliff Green used for a duck gun? He was quite a waterfowler.
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The gun is listed on GI as of this morning. GI#: 100376277
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The last time I heard these guns were for sale the price was 350,000, I believe Hershel had them at one time, wonder what the price is now? Gary
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Perhaps they killed it and relisted it . |
I just want the little one. I wonder if I can hook up with someone who would like to have the big one? I have an ad in my files where Herschel was asking 250 large for them. I wonder who bought them or who has ever owned them. Obviously no one who ever gave a darn about sharing them with anyone down here in the trenches.
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Heck I just want the glasses with the extra set of eyes on them! LOL! Bill did you ever research Mr. Greens averages? I wonder how he shot that thing?
I have all the Skeet reviews from No.1 to about 1966, and If you have not I may make it a winter project. Scott |
I have the average books for when Cliff was shooting. I think I discussed his averages on here a while back. They are a bit easier to access than the Skeet Shooting Reviews. I do not have anywhere near a full set of Skeet Shooting Reviews. He had some good days, but normally shot average scores. I have a postcard that he sent or was sent from the Nationals in Texas in 1949. One of the squad ran the 12 gauge event if I remember correctly. I will dig this stuff out and clarify my poor memory. He shot with the Sudlersville, MD Gun Club squad when they attended big shoots. That squad was a very high average group that included Joe George, Doctor Metcalf and a couple of other hotshots who continued to shoot and win in postwar years, some into the sixties. I wonder if the Sudlersville squad ever made the cover of SSR? I thought mine was the only Parker .410 Skeet Gun to make the cover. Maybe Cliff Green's .410 made it too. Keep us informed.
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What issue is yoiur .410 on? I would like to see it!
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Most of the artifacts, including the VHE .410 Skeet, on the cover of the August 2004 SSR, belong to me. The North-South souvenirs and vest patches from George Deyoe, are mostly mine also. The article that accompanies the cover explains a lot.
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I had heard they shut down the National Capital Gunclub and had to move or whatever . Is that true and are they still shooting the North South ? I really enjoyed it when the North South was one weekend and the Great Eastern followed in Greenbelt the following weekend at what used to be the Beretta Club . |
We are continuing the North-South shoot as the longest continuously running competitive NSSA skeet shoot in the world starting in 1934 and still going. It is being shot now at the Damascus Izaak Walton League fields in Mount Airy, Maryland. This shoot is a piece of history that includes the shooters as well as the founders, like William Harnden Foster. We are in "resting" mode now and are shooting five 50 bird events, instead of five 100 bird events. However, the competition and the spirit of skeet history is alive. In one of our first shoots at Mount Airy, a pump gun shooter won most of the honors with a 248 as I recall. He shot all events except for the .410 with a 28 gauge Model 12. He ran a straight 50 in the doubles event. I have been involved with the North-South since 1967, when I was club manager, and have been a member or participant at National Capital since 1958. In the early years of my "membership", they wouldn't accept dues payments from kids, so I rode the free wagon for a few years. I would like you to attend for lunch as my guest next June if you don't choose to shoot. The North-South still has good sponsors who make it, let's say, worthwhile to win a gun or class championship. We'll look for you in June.
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that was the first year I shot a good portion of the Mayes/Bender Tour ! That would have been 1990 or so I think as I shot my last registered birds in 1992 I believe at the Great Eastern in Richmond . The first shoot that year I shot with those guys was at Bruce Evans place outside Winston Salem (this place was the old Bingham Parks Club). Think there were 50-55 shooters of which 35-40 were AA-AAA . We all shot AA and I tied for last in the HOA with a 390 , they had 3 4x4's at that little 5 field shoot ! Damn remmembering this stuff is making me wish I was young enough to go at it like I did back then :whistle: |
Just as an FYI Wayne Mayes recently passed away. I believe he was in a bad car accisdent and the resulting injuries caught up to him. He was a great shot and I watched him run many a hundred. He shot doubles with I believe a Beretta auto but the tubed gun was a Kreighoff K-80.
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Wayne actually succumbed to burn injuries he received in an accident involving the burning of surplus gunpowder.
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Craig, shooting with Ralph Petley must have been an interesting experience. I have known Ralph for many years and have "caught" a couple of his guns and let at least one pass me by because my hands were occupied by a clipboard and a pencil. I recently got word from a remote South American location that Ralph's wife Jean passed away. As you know, Jean was a saint and everyone loved her. It's too bad that Ralph had to vacate the NSSA skeet world.
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When I saw the name "Willie Finch", I thought it was a typo for "Willie Flinch". What a great name for a trapshooter
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I watched Wayne shoot off against Mike Schmidt at the Color Matrix shoot in Ohio 2009.
They were both shooting 12 gauge Beretta Autos. Wayne would change the choke in his gun for station 4. It was a flush choke and could change it between stations while he was walking and not miss a beat! The amazing thing was his head never touched the stock and he would SMOKE both targets! His head was at least 1" off the stock! |
Wayne Mays and Todd Bender won just about every two man event they ever entered and set many a record while doing it. Todd lost his wife about the same time Wayne passed, a double blow for him. I never tired of watching them shoot boubles and the birds never crossed the center stake. I need every inch of that field:eek:
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craig you ve lived a life most of us only get to read about such as now..i m glad you and others are telling us about these great shooters.. charlie
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While they were certainly excellent at all facets of the skeet game my old now gone friend Willie Finch had this habit of walking out on the shootoff field after everyone was finished, barefooted with his 410 tubes in his over and under . Then he'd shoot doubles on station 4 from the hip both directions a couple times each and he typically never missed ! Last time I saw him do it he was in his early 70's ! |
Yup, Willie was quite a guy, both in Virginia and Florida, where he spent winters. He shot ATA trap in addition to competitive skeet. There is a field named for him at the Fairfax Rod and Gun Club.
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One of the best shoot off I ever saw was between Ralph Petely and George Lear. They had both run their 100 with the 410 shot doubles run another 100 then went to Kentucky doubles (stations 3,4,5) and whatever George did Ralph was right behind him. Mostly the birds never crossed the center stake, then on station 4 George used every inch of the field to break his pair and Ralph attempted to do the same except he missed one. He stormed off the field in a huff, no congrats nada he just picked up his stuff and left.
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Over the years I think I was on a squad with Ralphie maybe 4 or 5 times . And I gotta say he was always tolerable .
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It is spelled Lehr he is an NSSA Hall of Famer. I am fortunate to know George and have shot with him. He is a Class guy!
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Years ago at the Salisbury, MD club, Ralph Petley was shooting his last round for 1000 straight in 12 gauge. A shooting buddy from my club was recruited to fill the squad and he was a chatter. On station 8 low house option, Ralph got a bird that Jesus couldn't have hit and sure enough, Ralph missed. He looked at the referee waiting for the "No Bird" which never came. My friend asked Ralph whether his presence on the squad had caused him to miss his thousandth bird. Ralph turned to him and gave him a dirty look and told him "No you didn't cause me to do anything." Ralph's wife was at the back of the field, too far away for him to throw his gun and have her catch it, so he reluctantly held onto the Beretta and walked to his truck.
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Bill, interesting post you dug up.
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I'm digging up posts that include the Cliff Green Parkers so Craig can relive the "Old Days". There are a bunch of them.
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Craig, John Jisona moved south and passed this life a few years ago. I lost contact with Alton Jones some years ago. If there was ever a bar that I was reluctant to enter, if I were with Ralph Petley, all of my fears would vanish.
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OK, just for Craig, another Ralph Petley story that I have told before. This was also at Salisbury gun club. I was refereeing on about field number four, just to the right of the clubhouse. Ralph was on station one of the first round. He called for his first bird and missed it clean. Now Ralph is used to having his wife close at hand when things get tough. This is so she can catch his gun if he throws it. She was no where near when Ralph missed that high one. As soon as I said "Lost, option high.", his 682 Beretta went sailing past me at eye level. Since Ralph and I go back a long way, he thought I was going to catch it. Wrong. I let it go by and watched it land about thirty some feet beyond where I was standing. In today's world, he would have been ejected from the shoot, but back then, it was just another day.
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Who has the Cliff Green Parkers currently?
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