410 Repro’s
 

We’re the 410 Repro’s on an actual 000 frame or were they just fitted to 00 frames ?

Never mind I just finished reading what seems to be known/assumed . 00 and 0000 . But no 000 .

Right. The only thing to add is that 00 frame .410 barrels are usually stamped 0000 on the rear lug, just like the actual 0000 barrels. Original Parker 000 barrels and Repro 0000 barrels share a pin spacing in common, but are different frames regardless of common pin spacing.

Like Bill said, the firing pin spacing of the 0000-frame Repro and the Parker Bros. 000-frame at 13/16" are identical, but the frames appear different. Below are pics of a 0000-frame Repro respectively followed by a 000-frame Parker at similar camera angles. Do you notice what's rare, odd and unusual with this 0000-frame .410 Repro?

The Repro is prettier.

Most would agree, however; there's a couple here that would disagree. Unfortunately it's not the answer the judges are looking for. Get the correct answer and there will be a follow-up bonus question -- unless one can come up with the whole shebang in one reply.

Left handed?

-Victor

No Victor, I'm sorry that's not right. The correct answer is much more obvious.

It appears the outside diameter of the barrels at the breech end are smaller in diameter.

0000-frame Repros do have barrels that appear more internal to the frame than 000-frame Parker Bros. guns, but the firing pin separation of both frames are the same. Thank you Phil, but it's not the correct answer.

Darn.
Just a fun fact. I have a Winchester 21 3 barrel set with 410, 28, and 20 gauge barrels and all have the same fire pin spacing. Lots of flexibility using barrel thickness and barrel spacing.

To those playing along...the right answer is right there in front of you, study all parts of the gun you see in the two pics of the 0000-frame Repro, put it all together...the correct answer is in the details and will become obvious to those that know their Repros!

The screw behind the trigger?

Nope, unfortunately that's incorrect. The screw(s) you see there is commonly found on all Parkers equipped with Parker single selective triggers.

The question remains "What's rare, odd and unusual with this 0000-frame .410 Repro?" I'm attaching the same two pics below so you don't have to go back and forth a page...

The single bead on the breech balls.

Unfortunately, that too; is incorrect. You're kind of skirting onto the right track though as the single bead at the breech balls is a commonly found feature on this model of 0000-frame Repros.

The forend metal does not have the raised round piece at top . Bobby

Are you referring to the forend tip that is not shown in either pic of this 0000-frame Repro?

No the little round pieces at each side at very top of iron that blends in with what i call rails of barrels and forend wood has shape of rails.Bobby

To me it looks like the bolsters do not stick out further than the sides of the frame . Where as on any original frame the bolsters protrude out further than even with the sides of the action body .

Bobby, I have to say that you have some mighty good eyes, are incredibly astute and also aware, but unfortunately that is not what the judges are looking for as those beads -- what you call "the little round pieces at each side at very top of iron that blends in with what i call rails of barrels and forend wood has shape of rails." are absent on all 0000-frame Repros.

You are correct Craig, those bolsters on all 0000-frame Repros do not stick out further than the frame sides, but you're comparing them to a 000-frame original where the bolsters do protrude out beyond the sides of the frame. Your answer is not the answer the judges are looking for and is not what makes this 0000-frame Repro rare, odd and unusual.

Smaller Balls! Bobby

Yep, the 0000-frames have small balls.

On top frame side panels look like where meet frame front edges are beveled but could be caused by reflections of light. Bobby

Bobby, I believe you and others are cueing in on too fine of details to come up with what's rare, odd and unusual with this particular 4/0-frame Repro.

If I can offer up a clue it would be to look at the big picture. That means consider the stock and its features, the overall frame details,-- including the breach balls, bead around the balls, engraving and barrels. Look at it as a whole. Therein lies the answer to the basic question and the follow-up question.

Top frame is engraved stock carved and fancy checkering.Top frame has Parker sst and bottom Miller.

I hope we're not going to be told that the A-1 Special stock carving doesn't belong on a BHE .410.

No sir, you will not. But, I will tell you that I'm hoping someone comes forward and actually identifies what we're looking at.

The scene engraving are the same as on a DHE not the grouse, woodcock etc. on a BHE repro.

I think Don's response here is close enough to what the judges have been looking for that they award him with the semi-prestigious Bachelor of Repro-ology degree. Congratulations Don!

What you've actually been trying to identify is 1 of 3 known and previously identified Parker Reproduction BHE .410s built on a 0000-frame with DHE-style engraving, the toplever, however; is engraved in the BHE-style. How do we know it's a BHE-Grade? The single bead around the bolsters and being fitted with a Repro BHE-style checkered stock tell the tale.

Now for the bonus question: What identifying characteristics and other component does this particular gun have that is not de rigueur with standard Parker Reproduction BHE's? The correct respondent will be awarded a more prestigious advanced degree and be crowned Master of Repro-ology!

Hint: The bonus question can be correctly answered by looking at the top view of this gun.

I see three differences: the bolsters are smaller on the Repo; the trigger plate is shorter; on the Repo; the frame does not have the lightening cuts like the original.

It appears in that photo that the top lever has a more pronounced scallop on the right side than on the left. But that could be just because of the lighting, or camera angle.

The barrels also seem to be DHE grade like as seen by the different engraving of the dolls head and lack of engraving between it and the rib matting. Might be also related to the engraving style mentioned earlier though.

Unfortunately Frank you're comparing apples to oranges. This is a Parker Reproduction 0000-frame that you're comparing to an original Parker. Incidently, the 4/0 frame Repro does have lightening cuts.

Don's got it! The barrels are indeed Parker Reproduction DHE fitted to the BHE. Obviously they are true 0000-frame barrels fitted to the Repro 0000-frame and not the confusing factory stamped 0000-framed barrels intended for 00-frame Repros.

Three identifying characteristics of these Repro DHE barrels are:
1. The breech band of engraving is D-style (differs from the Repro B-style).
2. D-style engraving on the doll's head (differs from the B-style).
3. No wedge of engraving on both sides of the barrel. (B-grade Repros have the wedge).

For correctly identifying the bonus question the judges have awarded the prestigious advanced degree of Master of Repro-ology to Donald F. Mills. Congratulations Don!

Note: I would personally like to thank everyone that played along with this little exercise and hope you had fun and maybe even learned a thing or two about the guns. Muchas gracias! KNOW THE REPROS!

Thanks Greg. It was fun to learn from the Doctor of repro-ology.

Nah...but thanks, there are others here that can claim that.

As usual, I didn't read the instructions . . . sorry about that.

Greg, or others in the know, is the pin spacing truly that of 0000 measurement, e.g. 12/16” ?

I think I’ve read that it’s not and that the 0000 designation was strictly a sales gimmick.



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