Carl Steigle double rifle
 

My belated Christmas present arrived today. Here are a few pic's.

Sorry about that will try again.

Nice!
What's the caliber!

Carl Stiegle double rifle
 

10.76x60r

Shooting that caliber is a more enjoyable way of finding out if you have any loose fillings, than going to the dentist. It's not overly powerful but just seems to have a nasty disposition.

Sorry its 10.75x60r. I can find almost no info on this cartridge. What info do you have on it and do you have loading info on it.

Wayne, case is very similar to the.405 Win

I am not at home, but recall a very recent article in the Double Gun and Single Shot Journal about loading old metric big cal shells.

Yes and yes. I think I gave Bill Murphy some. Might still have some. It is smaller than .405, more like 38-55 WCF.

Could you check ans see what info you have around. I would love to find a loaded round. It would go a long way toward duplicating it.

You need a copy of Nontes book. I'll get you some recipes. I'm away now.

well the big gun has come in she looks like a good one..hope you find some ammo soon...cannot wait till we hear a report on this rifle....charlie

The gun looks like it has been sitting in someones gun cabnet. Probable for lack of ammo. could be problematic. Thanks Edger.

Very interesting !

I've got a Kettner drilling that's rifle barrel is 10.75x65R Collath . That cartridge is easily made from the 405 WIN case .

Here is a bit of info. This is from Ken Howell's Designing and Forming Custom Cartridges. No load data at the moment, but I'll dig around.

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Thanks for the information Bob. It is the most usefull I have seen so far. Edger is that book still in print.

Your're welcome, Wayne. I wasn't able to find any load data though. Good luck getting her shooting.

In case you are interested that is the same drawing that Dave at CH4D used to make the dies with. He will be sending me a set next week.

Up date. I made one case today out of 45/70 brass and fire formed it to the chamber. Aside from it being about a 1/4" short it worked fine. fired the case a second time using Lyman's cast bullet load for a 405 Winchester. Everything worked fine and the recoil was very pleasant. So far so good. Should have all the proper loading componants in by the end of the week or the first of next week.

From what you've found so far do they say originally if this cartridge was loaded with cast or jacketed projectiles ? In "Cartridges of the World" they claim my 10.75x65R Collath was originally loaded with a 205 grain cast bullet and BP . Without searching my notes seems to me with a 205 grain cast bullet I was using 16 grains of Unique and getting something like 1600-1800 FPS . I'd be interested to know your load and the velocity ����

wayne i know were there is a cartridige that is a 10x75x70r will this fit your gun..if it will it is on a auction site...charlie

Charlie. That case is to long for my gun. Mine is 60mm but thank you for keeping an eye out. Craig my gun is proofed for a steel jacked bullet. I used a cast bullet to test fire the gun with because I have a small handful of them. There is no loading available that I can find so I am using data for a case that is similar in water capacity to mine.

Wayne, I found a few dozen jacketed 10.75 bullets if you want them.

Thank you Edger. I would like to have them.I will PM you with my address.

Well the double rifle made it to the range today. Took three days to make brass for it. Wont bother to go through the process, but took up lots of lathe time. I made forty cases out of 45/70 used brass. They are about a quarter in short but work as is. Choreographed the first loads and the right barrel was 2123fps and the left barrel shot the chronograph. Had to give up the speed testing and concentrated on the 100 yard gong. Fired the first round and the recoil caused my right hand to move rearward and set off the second barrel and it was a perfect double with both rounds striking the gong. Boy was that a surprise, and a little painfull not to mention a little embarrassing. Seems like a crowd had gathered around by that time. Well back to the reloading bench.

Wayne are you planning to hunt with this gun?

Can we see a picture of the chronograph after it was "shot"? The ammunition that Edgar generously sent me were supposed to be 11.15X65 for my exposed hammer Sauer driller. Lucky for me, this cartridge is about identical to a 2 1/2" .410, which is what I shoot in it. The plastic from the wad does not seem to load up the deep rifling.

Ah yes, you're right. Your memory is better than mine, Bill

Mike I would like to kill a bore with it if I can get it to regulate. The chronograph actually belonged to a friend of mine and it wasn't the cheap model. I am sorry but I didn't have my camera along. The chronograph survived . Just had to replace one of the side pieces and a sky screen. I should have known better than to shoot an unregulated double through a chronograph. I fired a few more rounds yesterday. It doubled on me again. With the horn trigger guard it is hard to keep my finger on the front trigger under recoil. Dam that hurts.

Edgar, I shot four of the 11.65x65 loaded shells you sent me to test. Apparently, they are good for the bore. I shot them at 50 yards and plan to get a better sighting situation with some gold lines and such. I am not "bore sighted" to 50 yard targets with these drilling sights. However, I sent three .44 caliber slugs downrange and put them in three holes at 50 yards, two in the same hole, and one two inches away. One flyer should be corrected by some work on the ten pound or more trigger on the right barrel. I have one 16 gauge slug that I will fire soon, out of the cylinder bore right barrel. After some modification of the sights, and the trigger pull, I may have a one hole shooter at 50 yards. The rifled slug pattern is to be studied when shot.

16 ga slug
 

Bill,
what slug are you going to use?

Just read this thread for the first time.
"EUROPEAN SPORTING CARTRIDGES" by W. B. Dixon, 1997 lists three 10.75x60R
cartridges:
10.75x60R Grundig
10.75x60R Leue
10.75x60R Mannlicher
The book gives specs on the cases but no load data.
If I were loading these with Nitro For Black I would be very careful to fill the case space with Dacron to avoid chamber ringing.
Bob Jurewicz

My Franz Kettner double was 10.75x76, and I loaded it with 50gr. of 3031 and that was as hot as I would go. If you laid the case on it's side, you could look at the primer even with the leveled powder. I used as cut wad of file card stock, then corn meal. Never knew about dacron, but I'm guessing you're referring to the puffy stuff my dog digs out of his toys.

Exactly!!
I load 450 BPE and use about 14gr to fill the case.
Bob Jurewicz

10.75
 

Pics
Sorry they are sideways.

If you are concerned about extra space and you should be I would look into blackhorn 209.I use it in 38-55 , 45-70 , 45-90 & 50 express. All filled to base of seated bullet with a nitro card on top of powder. Go to there web site for reloading data.and info about blackhorn 209.

Some one resurrected a really old post. This cartridge is actually a proprietary cartridge. worked up loads a long time ago and the gun shoots great. It is a full nitro gun not a cordite rifle. It was made in the early 30s. The bore diameter is actually 43cal. Brass is a pain to make. Had to modify the sizing die I got from CH4d.

Dacron has been used for some time as a filler. I first read about it in an article by Ross Seyfried. If not done properly as I remember it can ring the bore. As I understand it a visual dark spot will be left in the bore.

Hmm, I started getting into guns not so long ago. I'm still using an old rifle that I got from my father. He is already dead and I will not throw away or sell this rifle, even though it is not in the best condition. But hunting with it is also difficult. I'm a beginner and one of my friends advises me to buy a McMillan Game Hunter, but for some reason I have a bad feeling about it. I don't want to take a rifle from this company. I also like something like yours. I'm thinking of consulting with the sellers in the gun store about one like yours. And I also have browning x bolt Pro in mind and I read about it on https://g4gguns.com/product/browning-xbolt / and I was very impressed with this weapon, but again, I'm not sure what would suit me better. Can one of you give advice to a beginner? How to choose your first rifle?

It is a nice rifle and regulated using a chronograph to the listed velocity. shot right to the sights. Sorry John but I never give out the the kind of information.