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Bill Holcombe 01-11-2017 09:59 AM

Kent Tungsten Matrix 12 gauge 1400 FPS safe in a 3 frame parker?
 
I had a friend give me a box of 12 ga 2 3/4 KTM. I imagine I could shoot this in my early 60s superposed without worry, but is this a good load for a 3 frame parker 12 gauge or should it be the lighter load they make?

Just curious of the more experienced members on here.

Thanks.

Drew Hause 01-11-2017 10:43 AM

http://www.omahamarian.org/trap/shotshellenergy.html

Recoil in an 8# gun with 1 3/8 oz. shot at 1,375 fps is 36.3 ft/lbs.
For comparison, 1 1/8 oz. at 1200 fps, (3 Dram) 7.5 # gun is 23.0 ft/lbs

You might ask the head of the stock :(

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../270528918.jpg

Rick Losey 01-11-2017 10:48 AM

Staple time

This is why I recommend light loads for most older guns- Even if the barrels can take it, you need to think about 100 plus year old wood

I do fire the lighter Kent matrix in my 3 frame 12 VH. It had a small split started in the head. I have de oiled and reinforced it and am not worried. But I will still avoid the stiffer loads

Drew Hause 01-11-2017 11:00 AM

Or a prophylactic lag bolt ;)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../410617110.jpg

Bill Holcombe 01-11-2017 12:13 PM

Thanks. I will save it for my superposed. Was just curious.

Craig Budgeon 01-11-2017 04:53 PM

The lag bolt repair looks like a repair that puts food on gunsmiths tables.

Craig Larter 01-11-2017 05:49 PM

OK so you guys think I'm nuts but I have a Super Fox in nice shape I shoot regularly with 1 3/8th Oz TM. That's what it was designed for and no issues so far. My 2 and 3 frame 12ga Parkers I shoot 1 1/8 Oz bismuth handloads.

David Fishley 01-11-2017 06:08 PM

You would think they could have timed that lag bolt.

Pete Lester 01-11-2017 07:06 PM

Even these guns were new I don't think they saw loads like 1 3/8 ounce at 1375 fps. Speed hurts patterns and makes excess recoil. If you shoot classic double guns reloading opens up far more gun friendly loads. Think "Period Correct", 1100 to 1150 fps will kill anything in shotgun range with the right size shot. The old timers increased the mass of the pellet not the speed of the payload for the desired result.

1 3/8 ounce at 1100 fps in an 8 pound gun has 32% less recoil than a load going 1375 fps.

Bill Holcombe 01-11-2017 07:07 PM

My shells are only 1 1/4.


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