Grulla Armas Sidelock 410
 

I've been wanting a fine 410 SxS but the really nice ones are out of my budget. This might work altho still at upper end of budget:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/GRU...n_id=100442210

It would depend on how much a new one retails for. This is a pretty good looking gun. Another thing to consider is how long Champlin has had this gun on the market.

About 11K - but Lion Country is sold out of 410s

http://www.doubleshotguns.com/grullaarmas.html

I guess if Champlins would take $6K it would be a pretty good buy. It does seem to be an above-average specimen, extra-nice wood, crisp engraving, 28" barrels, etc. I've noticed at auctions Spanish doubles don't bring much, might be a better place to get one.

It is sometimes wise to be circumspect of Spanish guns. it is up for sale for a reason.

I had wanted a 410 SXS for a very long time also. A Parker was out of the financial reach but I got a good deal of a Fox (CSM) FE. It's a nice gun but in reality I really don't shoot it much.

Just curious. Why? I have a Grulla 16ga 209HL SxS that shoots well for me without any problems. Other than assisted opening it has all options that I am aware of for a SxS. Not an expert by any means but fit, finish, engraving and wood looks very good for the price. I may have lucked up and got a good one. Thanks in advance for the input. Bob

My understanding is that there was a period of time (70's?) when many Spanish guns' parts were poorly heat treated, with resulting soft metal and high wear. That being said I would have no idea about how to decide if a gun was carrying those parts.

Most of the positive press for the Spanish makers is in the relm of BEST guns, quality copies of English best! I do not know ware this model ranks in quality. Is this one of the ones that are considered a best gun? Its add states mnf 2005 It will be of good quality steel. This gun looks to be of hi quality workmanship...all engraving is clear and crisp and properly executed. I like it.....As the buyer you should research new cost of same or like model. (All but the BEST guns) will sell well below current replacement cost in most cases....this is good for the buyer. The dealer is making money at the price asked so the owner is getting considerable less or has sold it for less to the dealer. In the short run you may loose a little or about 1/5 , the 20% of fair dealer mark up. This seller knows the market. In a week market or down turn you may not be able to sell it as the pool of buyers is less for 410 gauge guns of any make. Like the crash of 2008 losses were across the board of most SXS guns. I had bought several Parker reproductions prior to 2008 and they still have not fully recovered the values they had peaked at if I wanted to sell them today. Im sure it would be at some loss to me but not on all..??? The good news is they are close to the pre 08 prices so long as things don't go bad again anytime soon. I would recommend you read Spanish Best before buying a Spanish gun. Its a world of wealth if you plan to buy a Spanish gun. Good luck on your 410 quest.....(-: SXS ohio

Thanks fellows for the helpful replies! I think it is a very fine piece, probably worth around $6K based on replacement cost and prices of other similar Grullas on the net, perhaps not a "best" grade gun but still pretty nice. But I'm gonna pass just the same, $6K is still alot of dough, I can use it to pay on my Geoffroy Gournet account!