First powder in stock at S Warehouse here that I've seen in a long time. Win 748, Unique, ARComp, quite a selection of Alliant Reloder types and best of all, 8# jugs of H335, one of which I bought for loading the AR15. That much powder will do a lotta boolits. Interesting to look over the loading data in various manuals of varying ages; it's all over the board in velocities, COL, whether to use mag or non-mag primers, etc. Very difficult to find a load you feel you can trust enough to get started.

Here's a good one

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=399668290

That's over $62.00 a pound after shipping .

And the guy offered it at the bargain Buy-It-Now price of only $50/lb. What a sport.

Some shill for the Dept. of Homeland Security will probably snap it up. With our tax dollars.

Yeah. Those people who bought guns in Fast and Furious can't do much with those guns without ammo

I have just bought 8lbs of International Clays for $70 and 12lbs of Clays and 8lbs of 7625 from fellow PGCA members. The 8lbs of Clays came from an estate sale. I purchased 16lbs of 7625 when a gun club made a large order. In that order 10 bags of shot came my way and I bought 10 bags of reclaimed shot earlier in the year. I am now set for quite some time.

Richard I can provide you a nice load for the 223 if you wish. Three of us use the same load and it's very accurate in our varmint rifles. PM me if you would like the data.

I think we all know smokeless powder for shotguns use is hard to come by these days. We all speculate on a cause or hear various stories of why. A retailer in powder, other components and ammunition etc spoke with me yesterday. He asked me to not use his or his companies name. He was quite discouraged having received a partial order of powder, one small bottle of 800-x. He called his wholesale distributor to ask what is going on, how much longer etc. The wholesale distributor was upset as well as his customers are climbing up his butt too. The wholesale distributor told the person I spoke with yesterday that his contact at a major powder company told him the government has and continues to purchase 85 to 90% of their entire production and we are doing the best we can. Third hand information, rumor, sure it is, but it is what I heard from a retailer I know and spoke with. Why wouldn't powder makers tell us this, fear of IRS audits, OSHA inspections, cancellation of government orders to their parent companies perhaps? If it is true it will eventually come out. I am not sure what to think but the scarcity and duration of the scarcity of almost all shotgun powder and 22 rimfire is difficult to explain. I am not intending nor want to turn this thread into a political commentary. My point is powder is scarce and it may be scarce for some time to come, buy it when you see it is my advice.

A prescient observation. I called a major midwest distributor this week. They have NO shotgun powders at all. None. And this guy supplies many of the ATA shooters.

Primers? No problem.
Wads? No problem.

For what it's worth, I simply can't understand why some offshore manufacturer doesn't send about 100 containers of powder to the US. They'd make a killing. No pun intended.

Hmmm. Maybe illegal aliens will start smuggling it in.

Maybe we could get Eric Holder to investigate, he doesn't have much to do lately:rotf:

Maybe you should keep that powder locked in your gun safe, Rich, it will be as valuable as gold in the future.
I picked up 2 1 lb (ok, 14 oz) bottles of PB yesterday that had not been marked up in price. I have never loaded PB, but heck, at least I can use it for my 12's and 16's until I run out. Also, the store had all primers 10% off, but they only had 500 shotgun primers and they were Fed 209A at $2.69/100.
I have not used those primers but have seen plenty of low pressure loads with them, so I took them. Anymore, we have to use what we can find, not what we want.
I still have 8 lbs of 20/28 and can get more. The store also had 2 8 lb jugs of 700X.
Shot was $44/bag--I wanted #8, but they had 7 1/2 and 8 1/2--so I figured if I mix them and divide by 2, I will have 8 shot, right?

I used to be a normal human being and sportsman. Now I'm becoming something I never expected: A paranoid. News just out today that the crotch-groping TSA has ordered 24 million rounds of pistol ammo. That's enough to fight WWII for months...

And since pistol and shotgun powders are similar and run on the same production line/tools, you may not see any of our stuff for, oh, four years or so. Here's one site's view of the issue:

http://www.infowars.com/tsa-to-purch...ty-ammunition/

just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.



PS;
stopped at a shop on the way home - could have primers in any size I wanted as long as I wanted Winchester, very few types of other brands, no CCI large rifle and they said they cannot get them. I asked for a specific rifle powder - they had one pound of it so I took that. I can load for everything I shoot, even if its not every load I like.

Well, it is too hot around here to shoot anyway. Time for fishing and hoping the government does not start buying up flies or bait.

I just received an E-Mail from Natchez Shooter Supply that my order from 3/28/13 was available. It was so long ago I didn't know what it was and had to call them. I now have 500 6mm 75gr Hornady V-Max bullets for my .243 varmint rifle coming. maybe I should have bought a 1000 but I haven't been to the prairie dog town in quite a while:eek:

Went to pick up some 20/28 for someone at a gunstore that has always had alot of it in stock since this whole issue started, and you guessed it , they were out and didnt know when more would come in. They seemingly had lots of rifle/pistol powders but no shotgun powders.
Win 209 primers were $49/brick, but I picked up a brick of Fed 209A primers for $27. I know these are hotter than the W209's I currently use, but hope to find some low pressure loads I can use the in, in 12, 16, or 20 ga. Since most of the low pressure loads I use are on the "wimpy" side, will it really make that much difference?

Harold - Check out Tom Armbrust's primer comparison:


http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

Primer substitution can ramp up pressure by over 3000 psi all else being equal. Tread carefully.

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

Thanks guys, I will find a suitable safe load or trade them off to some trapshooters.

If you can buy Fed 209A's for $27 per brick, buy a couple of sleeves. For 12ga using Clays or Clay Dot and straight wall hulls, there are many low pressure recipes to choose from.

I found some nice low pressure loads in 12 ga AA and Rems, 7625 and PB, using the Fed 209A in an IMR loading guide--also in Fed hulls, which I dont have any. I've got 2 lbs each of 7625 and PB, so I am set--think I'll go out and buy the rest of their Fed209A stock.

The latest thing we should be concerned about is that the EPA wants to amend the clean water act to include "ALL WATER" in the US including that on private lands. It will include ponds, streams, washes (seasonal or otherwise) and runoffs etc. The proposal is out for public comments right now. Go to EPA website to view and or comment. Wow no guns, no ammo, and now no water. Guess the first 2 are so we can't fight the 3rd.

Hmmm.... "All Water"???

That includes ALL land. And to "protect" that land, you will NOT be able to use lead shot for grouse, pheasant, dove, quail, rabbits --- or target shooting.

They don't need to ban guns. They just need to "back-door ban" the means by which they are employed (effective ammunition). Result: You are left with a safe full of curios. Expensive. useless curios.

I apologize if this seems political. But I'm just responding to a post...

This info comes from the NRA-ILA, Operation Choke Point, a Dept of Justice Initiative that attempts to shut down many categories of legitimate business' including ammunition and firearm sales (see page 9 of the second link). I am sure this has nothing to do with the current lack of smokeless powder or 22 rimfire on dealer shelves. :whistle:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ar...hyxiation.aspx

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...oke-Point1.pdf

Who would ever have guessed.... it could happen right here :usa:

what happened to for the people by the people

That left the country in 2008. BTW, I just saw a couple of 1 lb. cannisters of Red Dot for $25 each at a local shop. I'm trying to decide...

As you know that equals $200 for an 8lb jug. I guess it depends on how much you have and how long you think the current situation with shotgun powders will last. My guess another year to three years before it gets better.

Just purchased a 1 lb bottle of Win. WSF for $18. This was new stock as they never had any before. They also had Red Dot and PB 8 pounders but I did not ask the price. Shot was $39 for less than 10 bags - a dollar less for 10 or more.

I had won an auction for some powder from gunbroker and as usual I called the seller to arrange payment and at that time he told me I had to wait because he had to get his hazmat shipping paper work in order. After waiting for a month I emailed him about it and this was his response
Sir: At this time I cannot move any powder outside of my business. The ATF and DOJ and DHS has issued a Industry Advisory of the sale of Black Powder and Smokeless Powders. Retailers and Customers like you are all being effected. V/r, Dave John

Don't sound good!!!

Angel..

Have them give your money back asap or ship the powder. There is nothing in the industry advisory that prevents the sale and shipment of powder. The fact you have waited a month makes me suspicious of the sellers motives much less the BS about the advisory preventing sale and shipment.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...y-outreach.pdf

Sounds like some hornswaggling going on, to borrow a word from Richard Hoover's article in the most recent Parker Pages

I have not paid for it yet. Now I have to search for some more 7625.
thanks Pete!!

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The powder is out there, you just have to search for it. All the manufactures are making powder it just gets bought up the minute it hits the stores or in most cases the shops that get it are selling it for 500% over its usual cost. I found some Unique at a distributor out west. Don't give up!!!



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How much are you looking for Angel?

Any shop selling powder at 500% over retail has no business in the powder business. They should be dealing in gold! NONE of the shops near me have added more than $5 to any size powder. But... NONE of them have shotshell powder. However, they say it's coming soon.

Hi Paul. I had purchased 5, one pound jars so any I can get I'm happy with.

Seattle Skeet and Trap had 8 lbs of Red Dot for $130 a little while ago. My brother bought one and I declined because getting it to my home in Utah could be a problem.

Think you have been had....Mostly BS

Yeah,I figured he sold it locally.. probably for more..

Just saw cases of red dot and a few other types at Powderhorn in vermont. First alliant I saw. In a long time.