My definition of long range is shooting my recently acquired 410 Skeeter over trap! lol

Reading this tread on "long range" doubles has had me captivated and it will probably end up costing me more $$ because I'll start looking to acquire one. That said I'm fairly new to the double gun world, I started acquiring doubles in 2020 which has lead to 3 L.C. Smiths 12ga Ideal, 16ga Ideal, 20ga Specialty, Fox 16ga sterling, and 3 parkers 12's 2 DHE's and a VHE. I'm no stranger to the shotgun world I shoot trap, skeet and sporting clays at competitively for 20 plus and I'm a avid bird hunter. My 12ga VHE Remington era is a 30 in barrel chocked M/F is murder on ducks at 40 yards plus with Bismuth loads and performs like a champ on ZZ targets with 1oz 71/2 loads. I would definitely consider that gun a "long range" double. Now I have to distract the CEO (wife) long enough so I can fine one of these "long range" doubles you all are referring to I'll blame this group if I get caught :rotf:

Yup - we have big shoulders, we can take it!





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Allen, tell us about your Skeet .410. How is it choked? I have never measured the chokes on my 30" .410 Skeeter, but I assume they are full in both barrels.

I have news for you ! After years of shooting not light shotgun loads and being pounded at the bench by heavy rifles my shoulders are starting to be an issue . So while I agree “we can take it” , one reaches a point where it isn’t as comfortable as it once was .

I own what I consider two long range Parkers, but made before the advent of the 3" Super-X. BHE 134923 12/32 #2 frame .041/.039 chokes .731/.730 factory documented 2 7/8" chambers 8lbs 5oz.
CHE 12/32 #3 frame .037/.040 chokes .740/.742 (patterned for #2 shot per the letter) 2 7/8" chambers factory documented, 8lbs 4oz.

Late to the party again.

Dave asked about the Smith LRWF guns.
"Long Range Hyperbole" was published in the DGJ by Drew Hause, James Stubbendieck, and J. David Williamson, Volume 24, Issue 1, Page 137, 2013.

I have Dr. Jim's "Production Records" and could answer specific questions. There was a total of 2,704 LRWF guns manufactured, but a few did not have 3" chambers.

BTW: the Parker "Long Range" appeared in the 1894-1895 Montgomery Ward catalog

https://photos.smugmug.com/LC-Smith/...0%282%29-M.jpg

May 1922 Hunter - Trader - Trapper

https://photos.smugmug.com/LC-Smith/...205-1922-M.png

but that ad hypes the long range killing power. not specifically a model called the "Long Range".

in fact it shows a Trojan - so a Parker Trojan is a long range - as is any tightly choked Parker

I’ve not paid a whole lot of attention to the chokes in most of my guns other than points of constriction. But the redone AH Fox HE I had for a month or so last summer had to be the tightest and longest choked taperwise gun I’ve ever possessed .

I have a BHE 12 gauge, #3 frame, 34 inch barrels, 3 inch chambers, that weighs more than I do. Choked extra full/extra full. It was originally owned by a big time duck hunter from Peoria (not Fred Kimble). I assume it was intended as a long range shooter. At least it has proven to be a long range shooter.