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James,

Your response to the "vette" analogy was the Best part of this thread...http://www.webpak.net/~dslcslien/Zthumbsup.gif

Best, CSL
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You can say that again...

;)

John

Yup, me too James :)

Here's my 2 cents worth:whistle: More people are getting into not only Parkers but vintage doubles as a whole. Most of these folks I would imagine are used to shooting a more modern gun and with the accessability of the internet find themselves here on our forum. Obviously the question is asked "what is approiate to shoot in Grampas Parker"? We know the different schools of thought regarding the anser. My problem with the ansers is that they are given freely with no knowledge of the condition of the gun, it might be a wall hanger and an RST low pressure shell blows it up. IMHO the only anser is "I/we can't advise you on that as the condition of your gun isn't known". "You need to have it inspected by a competant gunsmith with knowledge about this type of firearm". In todays society where the victim get sued for being a victim we are opening ourselves up to liability.

I'm more of a Grouse hunter and a low pressure shell works fine. I can freely use them between fluid steel and damascuss barreled guns without worry. Some day I would love to hunt Pheasant, Huns ect on the Great Plains. If that would occur I'd match the gun to the game,I bought a DHE 12 just in case;). I would no more shoot 1 1/8 oz out of an 0 frame 16 than I'd hunt an Elk with a 270. Can it be done sure but to me late season Pheasants are a 12ga bird with suitable shot in #4,5,6 and I prefer my 338 for the Elk:bigbye:

Possibly, provided our goal is to educate the undeducated, either in an additional FAQ or added verbiage approriately in an existing FAQ, a definitive mention of the difference between low power and low pressure loads could be mentioned and described. Not being a student, or a reloader, I had no idea there was a difference until my interest went to the antique guns. Maybe this is too elementary but I can tell you for sure I would have thought they were one and the same.
Mike

Your thinking and mine are much aligned... Here is my reply in a different thread:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showpos...8&postcount=11

It's in this thread:
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3266 - which was spawned from this thread...?

But - what do I know? I enjoy my Parkers without hurting them - or even hurting me. I'll always defer to folks who profess to know more than everyone else - or at least "me" - and post as much.

Is what it is, I guess?

John

Forces on Shotgun Components
 

Shooters generally rank loads on a shotgun by chamber pressures found in catalogs and loading guides. Pressure induces stress on barrel and breech, but the weight of shot produces the stress on other componenents. It is possible to compare stress from gauge to gauge by comparing the length of the shot column; an equal length shot column produces the same force on a gun of any gauge.
Some people talk about a "square" load, which is a shot column as long as the diameter of the bore. The attached table is based on sparse data from order books, hang tags and ammunition catalogs but it appears consistent. It appears that King preferred loads of less than .8 bore diameter length for Parkers. There are some exceptions but they are small; for example the 1 1/4 ounce 12 ga live bird competition load.
The loads of length less than .8 bore diameter are shown in red on the table.

Best, Austin

Thank you Sir.. I added emphasis to exactly my point - and apparently yours..

Thank you,

John

Austin, from what we've read and heard the "square load" and those of column length of .8 of the bore diameter produce the best patterns as well as less stress on the gun and the shooter's shoulder too. Thanks for the chart.

Bruce, If your horse don't give you a good shot whos fault is it? If your shotgun don't kill the bird is it the shells fault? Was my only point. And if you believe everything manufactures tell you you got a house full of stuff you don't need! Fransis thanks you got my point! everybody got a nose:) The other day I was down to one shell so I thought I needed to pratice left barrel first shooting so a fez gets up and right barrel goes click and I flinched so bad my pup was laughing and ol BoJack wouldn't make eye contact because he was embarresed for me. I'm far from perfect and I know it. I have fun hunting, birds or no birds and if we lose one one of my companions on the great plains will eat him they need an easy one once and a while. we don't have a preadetor problem out here plenty for everybody. and Eric I will bow out as well. best ch and somebody tells me they can tell the diff between 5 and 6 shot I'll wonder wonder wonder who, who wrote the........ and i thank you all because win I need something i can ask on of you guys what to do and i don't have to have to try to figure out thoes tables and mathmatical figures.