that would be fun (ours was not part of the course last i checked) - tight chokes and heavy barrels- get them moving and stopping your swing is not an issue.

The first listing for the Magnum-Ten shell I have is the April 1, 1932, issue of Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun. The Magnum-Ten appears in the second printing of Ithaca Gun Co.'s 1932 catalogue.

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And thus began a misprint that stayed in Ithaca Gun Co. catalogues for years. Capt. Chas. Askins' Magnum-Ten was really a No. 4E. The good Captain did have a fully loaded NID 16-gauge that was a No. 5E. Both later resided with Elmer. The Magnum-Ten with its not to my taste restock is in the Elmer Keith diorama at the Cabela's in Boise, Idaho.

Well my Grade 2 hammer hopefully will kill a not to bright deer this season and possibly some December dove . But later this month I'm going to Shenendale in Augusta County VA to shoot sporting and helîce . My plan is to use the hammer gun provided they have no stipulations against the 10 like Central VA Sporting .

found this thread while looking for something,

Pete - did you lose count?? wonder how many where added since the last update

That's so true about the big guns. I have a #6 frame 10 with 36" barrels. It's like swinging a railroad track. It's not often you undershoot a bird.

Short ten
 

Add one more to the Gang
I still use my short ten. For wildfowl, it has a fishtail and it is a #3 frame. At the moment it is in the gunsmiths for a replacement stock I dropped it and broke it, which I replaced a few years back because the original stock was to short. I still have the original stock.

From where the sun don't shine

Do you roll your own cartridges Steve? At one time Kent made a short 10 gauge loaded with their TM shot But they were only available in the UK.

Destry

Hi destroy
Yeah I load my own cartridges for this gun, I have not found any Taylor made cartridges over here, I think there to expensive. But I live in hope?
Steve

I should not read this stuff!...Now I have to pay for that sweet Ithica short 10 I just bought from our guns for sale thread. The way I see's it... you are all to BLAME. All that talk about how everyone needs a short ten!, what great turkey guns they are, how much fun they are to shoot, they can fold a goose across lake erie with the right load of nice shot and it goes on and on. Now I will need a loader and hulls SXS ohio

My problem with shooting a short 10 gauge very much is shells, just like everybody else who doesn't load. I had a small inventory, but had actually been tempted to sell them because I just wasn't using any of my short 10 gauges. I'd given my lifter over to a friend so all I had left was my D grade hammer gun. Then I took the D grade out a couple times, and I'm wanting to take it more. Of course those couple trips put a serious dent in what ammo I had available. Wish you could still shoot lead legally, I've got about three cases of that.......

You got one hell of a deal on that Ithaca Kenny. You'll be laughing in a few years if you keep it. If I needed another short 10 I'd have grabbed it in a hearbeat the minute I read the post.

great buy Kenny, can't wait to see the game pictures taken with it

:corn:

and - and all in fun - as someone who grew up not far from there - Phonics are great (my one daughter had a tshirt that said "hukked on foniks wurks for me"
:rolleyes:

Ithaca, people,---- its Ith-A -ca :rotf:

Kenny,

A short ten with the right load of Nice Shot #2 or BB will fold a goose way further than that. In fact one has to get a launch permit from the FFA before shooting that load. The FFA doesn't want to loose any airliners. It treats a short ten with Nice Shot like one of those hobby rockets that will climb to 5000 feet!

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An amateur rocket has a total impulse of 200,000 lb-s or less, and cannot reach an altitude of 150 km above sea level. If a rocket exceeds these capabilities (or if it has a person on-board), it is considered licensable.[4]
Amateur rockets come in 3 classes, and the regulations applied to each class increase as you move up through the classes. The following list describes the general regulations.
Class 1—Model Rockets do not require approval to be launched, and are legal so long as they are launched in a safe manner.
Class 2—High-Power Rockets require approval to enter National Airspace. Information regarding the rocket and where it will be launched must be provided to obtain this approval.
Class 2A-Short Ten with Nice Shot
Class 3—Advanced High-Power Rockets require approval to enter National Airspace. More advanced information about the rocket (such as the dynamic stability profile) and operations is required to obtain this approval.
Class 4-Eight Gauge shot from Parker Brothers shotgun.
Once a rocket exceeds amateur rocket criteria, it is considered "Licensed," which means it requires either a License or Experimental Permit in order to fly.

Mark

I was under the impression "Nice Shot" wasn't readily available .

Well I have to tell you boys that over the years I ferreted out seven Super 10's in ~ original condition. I just couldn't pass up one that was unmolested. Three went to three friends. Kenny bought the fourth. That leaves three and I probably only need two. If and when I decide to move that one my plans are to put it on the Members FS site. Thanks for your understanding.

Nice Shot is not readily available right now. RST is the only source I know of and they don't have any

nice shot
 

I got a five pound bag last week from BPI! Maybe it was the last one?

I probably need to start reloading non-tox shells

As far as I know BPI sells ITX shot, not Nice as loaded by RST. All of my Nice came from Precision Reloading in 1 kilo boxes (2.2 pounds). Precision currently shows all heavy waterfowl size Nice shot is out of stock.

yeah

he had me going there for a moment - until I checked :)

DH 32" #3
 

Just took possession of a #3 frame DH with 32" sleeved barrels and new wood. It has 3 1/2" chambers but not sure I want to go there yet, ordered some 2 7/8" #6's to get a feel for the gun. Gun was born in 1888 weighs 9.4 pounds but points like a bird gun, can't wait to try it out.

Scott, tell us about your sleeved ten. Who did the work? What kind of markings does it have concerning the sleeving? My DH sleeved ten is a Lefever Arms job with their marking on the rib.

Will look again tonight but do not remember seeing anything but the normal markings, gun came from the estate of an old live bird shooter but have no idea who did the work. Whoever did the work the original ribs were retained and you have to look hard and have correct light to see the joint lines.

Every gun in the collection was 30" or more and full/fuller, also purchased a 30" GH 12 and a 30" VHE 16. Tried the 16 on mallards last week with Classic Doubles and loved it.

There may be some confusion regarding Nice shot as originally manufactured, and loaded by RST in its non-toxic shotshells. I don't know if it's currently being made to the same specs, or being manufactured at all. Nice was made of 58% tungsten, 38% tin and 4% iron, and it has a density of 11.0 grams/cubic centimeter. Pure lead is 11.1 gms/cc, and high antimony hard-lead shot is a little less dense than that. Thus, Nice shot is quite soft (owing to its high tin content) and will perform just about like lead shot will.

I've never used ITX shot which is said to be made of tungsten and iron but I don't have the exact percentages. Its density is supposed to 10.0 gms/cc, hence it will lose velocity more quickly than Nice or lead (for a given diameter of shot pellet). Also for comparison - Bismuth shot is 9.6 gms/cc and steel is generally shown as about 7.9 gms/cc. Kent Tungsten Matrix which is favored in factory loads by many vintage waterfowl hunters is listed at 10.6 gms/cc. I don't have data on any other type non-tox shot. Sorry.

Net, of the products shown here I believe that Nice shot is your best choice for extended range waterfowl shooting, followed closely by Kent TM ..... when both are started at the same high muzzle velocity. Just my opinion gents!

I was told with Nice Shot I could pretty much use the same powder charge and could use the same wad as I used with lead shot . Is this also practical with the ITX shot ? Extended range isn't in my own personal criteria , I just want a shot that's relatively safe for use in my old fixed tight choke doubles and Damascus doubles . I suspect that once I've killed a duck or two and a goose or two with two to four of the guns that'll be all the water fowling I wanna do . It's more a matter of having a couple guns I'd like taking a goose and a duck or two with . I don't plan on being in set ups where I'll have to shoot further then 30-40 yards and hopefully less .

yes, lead loading info except that nice shot does boost pressure

by about 1500 if I remember correctly

so then my 30 grains of SR7625 with 1 1/4 ounce of shot with Nice or ITX should be reduced 2 or 3 grains to keep pressure relatively close to the lead loads ?

I went through all the posts to try to carefully record how many individuals shoot a Short Ten of some make. 78 of us have responded thus far, wow. I think I will start another thread and ask how many of us reload for the Short Ten.

I would think that oughtta be about a 95% given of those that own to those that load !

short 10
 

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this wk at a tower shoot

I don't think I responded to this thread, if not than I have five or six short tens, but only two are Parkers.

I don't think I responded either, but I have a Parker 10 hammer gun. Bought it at the fall Southern SxS. It's been out for some stock work, back home yesterday. Am working up short 10 loads for it. Last month or so putting components together and modifying my press.

Will post some photos and details later

William

I am shooting my 1884 #2 E grade

I have been shooting short 10 Parker and others for a few years now with and without BP. Have most fun waterfowl hunting with my 10s. My Parker has been my lead/favorite field gun for a while.

J.B.- I shoot my 1884 grade 2 10 gauge, SN 41762. Works well on Canada Geese with hand-loaded 1 1/8 oz ITX #2s propelled by 30 grains of IMR SR 7625

I shoot Parker 10's regularly too

I'm new to the short 10 and love it. Yesterday I was at the sporting clay range here in Colorado where the back 10 stations are long range...I couldn't believe how far out I was breaking clays. Plan to hunt sage grouse with the short 10 this September. I really appreciate all the info on here about reloading...that's my next venture.

Will be soon. Picked up a fairly rough lc smith grade 2 Damascus that is off getting restored. I want to use it for geese so I will probably have to reload. Still not seeing any nice shot at rst.

Jeff, it might not hurt to call RST and ask.

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