Bill would you share that powder substitute? I have used Unique, Longshot and 20/28 for my 20ga loading.

hi rich , I use 800x in 12-20 and 28 ga.

Paul I used that in the 12ga when I was shooting registered skeet. Never tried it in anything else. Are you loading low pressure shells in the 20?

I load them to shoot registered , but I have loaded down for low pressure loads , its about as dirty as unique in light loads for Damascus guns

Be careful of using low pressure 800X loads in cold weather. Many years ago, I loaded about 20 boxes of a 12 gauge 1 1/8 oz load from the DuPont loaders manual. Tried to use them in cold weather. Blooper, poppers etc. Had to throw them all away. Questioned DuPont - they said - "whoops we should never have put that load in the manual. Sorry". That being said., I think 800X in a 12 qa 1 1/4 #6 pheasant load is better than anything the factory has put out. I used in field trials for years, where the name of the game is to shoot the bird as far away from the dog as possible in order to see if the dog can mark and retrieve

Here is the chart I made up numbers are quickness. Relative quickness is subjective not the final word but a good indicator of what may work that's similar to your preferred powder. All were cross checked with Hodgdon's on line loading manual to confirm they were acceptable low pressure 3/4 oz 20 loads. Longshot was not recommended for 3/4 oz loads for some reason. Wanted Unique could not find any, kept the chart in my shirt pocket scouring Internet sites and stores. Ended up with Hodgdon International which is working fine.

Unique Alliant 31
20/28 Alliant 30
PB Hodgdon 23
Int Hodgdon 21
Super Hcp Winchester 20
Green Dot Alliant 17
Am Select Alliant 15

Bill

I use 13 grs of 700-x for 3/4 oz. 20 ga loads. I use 700-x from 3/4 oz. 20 ga to 1 1/4 oz 10 ga. works great in all temps. and 1 powder to buy, clean burning, low pressure win win for me, scott

I've been using 20/28 in my 3/4oz. 16 and 20ga. loads and I just love it.

Wandered the Denver gunshow today. One table had 12# metal kegs of PB for $179! I've never seen kegs like that. Didn't do me any good as I can't get it home to Alaska.

That's cheap - *8's from Dawsons is going for 154.

There is no brass available either:eek: I've been scouring the web looking for 7mm-08 brass and nothing!

One partial explanation is more govt buying. Check Alex Jones site today. You will see the USPS just put out a bid for a couple million rounds of ammo. That takes brass, powder, etc. Wonder what your mailman needs it all for?

Seems like that brass is available but I don't know if the prices are good.

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0011510187

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...=0001320270225

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm...campaign=43737

http://www.brownells.com/reloading/b...-_-Custom+Link

Scour harder :)

Pete thanks for the links. natchezz and Midway had none, my local sporting goods store had none BUT Midsouth had Norma brass and your right at $1.00+ per case it's not cheap but I have 50 cases coming:). The shipping is a rip off almost $14 but they got you.

It's for a brand new custom rifle so I wanted new brass and Norma is some of the best.....I hope:)

hi rich , 1.00 a shell case is cheap ,I pay as much as 10.00 a piece for my sharps rifles. but if you need some loaded ammo I have a little to spare in 7mm / 08

As far as buying powder, Brownells is out of most but they are getting it in. I ordered and an 8lb of Alliant 20/28 for Skeet shooting and it was only backordered just over 10 days. No one has it in stock but if your patient it appears it will come in. Price wasn't as good as our club but at least I can get it.

Just my two cents...

Paul Jays Sporting Goods in Clare had several 8lbers of 20/28. I'll be back up that way next week if they still have it I can get it for you and save you the shipping.

I bought (hopefully) 50 rds of Norma brass and with shipping it was just shy of $70:shock:

Rich,
If your up there, please grab it and I'll get it from you. I can never have enough powder to shoot skeet. Thanks!

Paul

No problem. When I get it I'll let you know.

Just ordered 8 lbs of 700X from Recob's. Don't know how long it'll last...

Bruce

Not long, just got in from a UNH hockey game and they are sold out. Anyone see a pattern here?

19 pages of "the sky is falling" and there is suddenly a shortage of everything. Anyone besides me notice this is a redux of January 2013 to January 2014?

John are you saying the shortages of reloading components and ammo, espcially 22 rimfire is seasonal or not a problem you have seen or one we should be concerned about?

its the same here in mississippi..if you aint in line when the truck runs you ain t going to get any powder or shot... charlie

no- not really

this thread started in March not January- less than a year ago, and has been pretty consistent, reloading supplies have been in short supply for most items in most areas.

certain items have eased up a bit and the situation seems to be improving although very slowly.

I expect as the hoarders have reach maximum capacity it will continue to slowly improve. But we are at the time of the year when many people load for the upcoming clays and summer shooting season. So what does show up on a shelf will be purchased quickly until everyone's stock is resupplied.

the sky isn't falling - but it isn't all sunshine yet either

:coffee:

I think the mentality is more of get what you can while you can befor the price goes up further. A month ago or so while visiting my parents I stopped in a store and bought three lbs of PB and one of 7625 and one of Clay Dot. They had primers for $36/1000 so I bought 4K. Yesterday I went to my local store which is usually well supplied with reloading supplies (they have two locations) and picked up 8lbs of 20/28. I looked at their primer cost $59/1000:eek: I also added a lb of H414 but they had no H380 or IMR 4350:shock:

Rich, that is an awful high price on primers. Cheaper to have them shipped even with hazmat fees. Powder Valley has Cheddite 209's for $24 per 1000. Mid South Shooters Supply has them for $25.20 and Federal 209's for $27.25. Winchester 209's are more, $39.99 per $1K at Natchez.

Pete that what I thought as well. Their powder prices arn't bad but the primers holy crap.

Fed Ex just dropped of the 7-08 cases, not cheap but I have 50 for this new rifle and that should last me for a long time. My thanks again to you for the link. :bowdown:

I don't have anyone local to me that really sells anything above the 14oz containers of powder. My best luck has been the Gun Shows. I've been to two of them lately, one in January and one the first week in February. I was able to find an 8lb Container and 11 of the 14oz containers of PB which I bought. The prices were a lot higher than I"m used too, but it was just a little more expensive than getting it shipped from somewhere. The dealer had a second 8lb Container of PB, but would only sell me one. :cuss: I had to talk him into letting me have all three of his singles. I came home from the other show last weekend with another 8lb Container of PB and a 12lb Keg of SR-7625! I felt like I hit the mother load with that 12 pounder, especially at the price I paid. I also recently hit up Recob's when they claimed to have 8lb containers of PB in stock on the web, and I waited weeks to then find a message on my answering machine at home saying they were really out of stock and couldn't fill my online order.:banghead:

Mike

Mike my local store had 3 1lb cans of PB I think it was about $24/lb. If you would like them I'll pick them up next time i'm up that way. 12lb of 7625 is like hitting the lottery.:bowdown:

Right place, right time. Walked into Cabelas this morning as a friend who works there brought out 2 cases of .22's. Only 1 brick/customer @ $25/brick. More than I'm used to paying, but damn happy to get them--they wanted double that at a gun show in Pittsburg last week.
Rich, I have 2 1 pounders of 7625 and will pick up more whenever I find it.

I just came from the Barre gun show. I saw exactly one jar of pyrodex - the only powder at the whole show that I came upon, and I was looking.
Did hook up with three pound of sr7625 earlier in the week so with that and some other good powders I had I finally ordered that 2 1/2" 16 gauge Grabber from MEC.

Thanks Harold I appreciate your efforts.

Eric you will love the Mec. I have three 9000's set for 2 1/2 inch shells and will order one for the 12ga shortly.

Here's the message concerning "shortages". None of us would go online and post where we recently came across 20 coveys of grouse in one morning, or where we travel to for a fine day of dog work on pheasants. And, I've never been able to understand why everyone has to write essays on where the best turkey hunting is.

We know if we do those things every yahoo in the county that reads the good news is going to head to our favorite spots. Especially if the previous season was like finding a desert instead of a fount of game birds.

When one starts to broadcast that he has been finding a shortage of a commodity in his favorite market place, every yahoo that reads that sad news is going to run out and start buying that commodity in four or five times the amount he/she normally would. And then that person, finding no more of the commodity, posts that bad news and the avalanche of hoarding starts. Every time a post is added, more people move into the market and start hoarding all over again.

In other words, one comment begets more comments until the hoarding that we saw in 2013, or even as far back as 2008, begins a new cycle.

But, I suppose that's the American way, I got mine.

John, I look at this way, the number of people on the PGCA forum in general, much less reload, is too small a number to affect the inventory of these components. The shortage of reloading components is not new news. The retailers I have referenced are the major on-line sources of such supplies, not obscure places to find such things. You are making an assumption that hoarding is the primary cause of the shortages, personnally I believe there is more to it. I thought it might help a few people on here who might be looking for powder because they have had trouble finding it. I will refrain from posting anything further about the availablity of powder unless someone asks if I have seen any.

myself i appreciate being told where some powder or ammo is..thanks pete... charlie

Pete you do a fine job of keeping us appraised of whats going on out there and please don't stop doing it.

I have boght powder locally for some members who can't find it in their area. Thats what we do here we help each other out and I don't believe that constitutes hoarding in any way.

Information is power, it's what you do with the power that's important.

interesting opinion John;

personally - i think thats an apple and oranges comparison

the birds are not a manufactured commodity, i respect the natural resource, powder is commercially produced to be burned in guns.

i have managed to scrounge up some of the discontinued 7625 locally lately - once I have what I think I need and will actually use in a reasonable time period , if I find more, I will offer here to pick it up for others. Because its no longer made.

For common still made powders, I get what I need for a while and will take my chances when I need more.

everyone to their own- I consider hoarding to be an act of accumulating more than you ever need or things that you don't need at all. (we can ask Dean's wife for her definition :corn: :rotf: )

At the Denver gun show recently there were some .22's but prices were high, up to $10/box of 50 and most of it was old stuff coming out of garages and basements. There was powder. I sure wanted to pick up the three 12# kegs of PB I saw but there was no way for me to get them home. We went into Cabelas one day and they had no .22's at all and no powder. All I picked up down there was 9mm and 5.56mm bullets for reloading.

Besides the Parker Forum, I frequent the C&R Forum on Maryland Shooters. They have a thread titled "In Stock Now" where everyone writes in to report any good offers by suppliers, that they have run accross. A simple heads up benefits us all. We're all in this sport together, and knowledge is not our enemy.