Great looking pointers. One day I'm going to have to have one, I have 3 female english setters now, really should only have 2, but all 3 are quite proficient bird dogs.

I looked at the pic of the barrel flats again, and I see what looks like a very faint " 1 " on the lug. ¿Quien Sabe?
Chris, AZ

Its a faint something looks to have been filed or polished and not that clear of picture

What is all this talk about the Parker records and the serialization book? The serialization book does not give frame sizes for guns. And though some of the factory records do, which only chuck has free access to, the frame size is not given if a PGCA research letter is supplied. The owner has given the measurement of the firing pin spacing, which equals that of a 1 frame. The normal marking on the barrel for the frame size looks to have been removed, or in a rarer instance, could have not been put there to begin with (which I doubt).
But given the barrels have been refinished, I stand by the former.

There are of course other measurements on the frame that can be taken to confirm it is in fact a 1 frame, such as frame width, height of the standing breech and the width of the breech balls.

Ultimately, those birds didn't care what sized frame was delivering the payload.

There is absolutely no reason a 20 gauge Parker can’t be a 1-frame or a 1 1/2-frame or a 2-frame.... we have seen all of those frame sizes in 20 gauge.






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Somebody has really good eyes. If the Mark being referenced is just about center of the lug it could be very well be what’s left of a 1. I put under a magnifier and it does bring it out more. The pin spacing gives credence that the Mark could be a 1.

Mr Dudley, i read your post to say that frame size isn’t given with a research letter. Is that correct?

Correct. Some of the factory records have the frame size listed. This would be in the stock books. The order books would not have any mention of frame size. Since the frame sizes are not always listed in all of the stock books, it is a piece of information that is not put into the letters. Mostly it is the later stock books that have the frame sizes listed. I am sure that if you ordered a letter for your gun, and then followed up with Chuck, he may tell you if there is any mention of the frame size in the stock book or not.

Chuck, please add any information to this topic if you wish or correct me on any point if I have misspoke at all.

Paying dues and requesting a letter tomorrow.

Your hooked ! Welcome

The unstruck barrel weight at 3-6, kind of leads me to believe it is a 1 frame. My 1 frame 16 VH has barrel weight of 3-5. For years it was my go to gun, along with a SW Deluxe 16