yes, the Creekside gun shop was run by Doug Turnbull's father - Doug actually started his CC efforts in the store. The father closed the store (if I remember correctly) after a break in at the store, with some of the stolen handguns ending up in the nearby streets of Rochester.

I went by the old store site last week, the big faded wooden sign is barely readable.

That was the only gun shop I knew of where you could try before you buy. It was a little scary sometimes. There was a shop in Geneva that had to close after they were robbed, it seems when a gun shop is robbed and guns end up on the street it's the fault of the business not the bad guy.