Mr. Lein:
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Have a Blessed Palm Sunday.

Last I will ever say it, and I'm done with this thread, but those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones, you werent the only one to frequent the BBS and as I recall you also broke a few windows until a few of yours got broken. Not a good idea to decry the actions of others that reflect your own. And with that have a blessed Palm Sunday!

Sorry John,
This is one of those times we tend to disagree

Folks, when I last checked this thread early last evening - I really respected the maturity and tenor of all the posts on a very difficult subject. My sincerest thanks for that and hope that all parties are able to resolve it to their satisfaction and everyones reputation and resolve well intact....

In the meantime however and later last night - let's not fall off the proverbial "turnip truck" and force the closure of this thread.

Finally - I don't know - nor do I care - what happened on another BBS. That BBS is not this community, nor will I let it became that BBS.

Have a wonderful day,

John D.

[QUOTE=Patrick Lien;271525]Bruce,
How much Flitz did it take to get Bachelder colors toned down to be comparable to original faded Parker colors?

Patrick Lien[/QUOTE

Zero.

But I did wear a leather cattleman’s roping glove and rub rotationally side to side on the frame for a little while to produce wear on the edges. I suppose Flitz would have worked faster and I do favor it’s use on dulled barrels or dull browned frames to bring out some luster. I have suggested folks use Flitz or other metal polish on garishly done case colors.

What do you suggest ? I know that you have nice guns and good skills.

Joe, the best advice relating to this thread is from Edgar Spencer. I tried to fix the barreled actions made in Italy of the first Ithaca Classic Doubles after heat treat. I failed. Italian gunsmiths were flown to Victor, NY and spent two weeks attempting to salvage those actions, they failed. The problem was caused by poor machining practice, but the heat treat was the demise of those actions. The barreled actions were made by Merkel in Germany, thereafter. If your determined to repair the gun you may want to seek legal advice first as you may give up your right to compensation.

Mr. Graziano is to be commended. What makes the world crazy is complacency. If Mr. Graziano had not brought his experience to the board, he would have been corrupted by making it a hide.

Edgar is spot on... as usual when it comes to matters of metal. I was sitting thinking pretty much what he wrote before I read his post. I wouldn't spend another penny on this one. I'd salvage usable internal parts and give the frame to someone to use as an example of just how wrong things can go and move on. I wouldn't waste my time going after anyone for anything; Life is just too short for that. I'm sitting here now wishing I had my families VH12 that needs a stock and the top rib re-layed so I could send it to Joe so he could try again.

I meet with Mr. Graziano at the gun show this weekend and gave him my VH Parker frame witch I was saving to engrave and if Joe need any other parts no problem.I have worked with Classic Guns for many years and never had any problems Mr. Gillette has health problems and not been able to watch over the work I will make this right. J.J.Roberts

I had not heard of Mr. Roberts before, so I did a little Internet research. Nowhere did I see anything negative. Quite the contrary. He has a lot of great reviews, and testimonials.
We can only guess where this went wrong, but appears JJ is on track to make it right.
I'm glad I kept my mouth/keyboard shut.
When I was in business, we learned that sometimes it's more about how you handle screw-ups, than how well you did on your great deeds