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George M. Purtill 10-20-2012 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 83409)
Thanks for the advice Bill.

My barrels are from 118705. I hope to find the rest of this CHE.

Might as well start here.

Like i always say- we need match.com for Parker parts.

Mills Morrison 10-22-2012 11:43 AM

Here is a CH with barrels from a different gun. It does not say what the serial number is, but you never know. I have no connection to this gun.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/958210162...nding_Wood.htm



Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 83409)
Thanks for the advice Bill.

My barrels are from 118705. I hope to find the rest of this CHE.

Might as well start here.


Dean Romig 10-22-2012 11:51 AM

Thanks Mills, I'll contact the seller.

Larry Frey 10-22-2012 04:10 PM

Dean,
I'll save you some time. Frame #57717, restocked with Trojan barrels.

edgarspencer 10-22-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Frey (Post 83625)
Dean,
I'll save you some time. Frame #57717, restocked with Trojan barrels.

Butt ugly comes to mind.

oh, the gun. Not you Larry, Not even Dean.

Mills Morrison 10-22-2012 04:33 PM

With the right barrels and appropriate CH grade wood, this one would look much better. What is amazing is somebody spent some time and money making it that ugly.

Dave Suponski 10-22-2012 05:36 PM

What a shame. And one of the first C grade damascus 10 gauge hammerless guns made.

Bill Murphy 10-22-2012 06:53 PM

Be careful of ten gauge hammerless guns that early. Some of the first guns were made for famous shooters, some of them Parker shooters. Any hammerless guns of this serial number range should be lettered to determine the name of the original owner.

George M. Purtill 10-27-2012 07:11 PM

PGCA table candy from Bill Murphy
 
I have seen the GUN and it is gorgeous.
What a great climax to a long hunt.
I hope someone photographed it and will post pictures.

Richard Flanders 10-28-2012 10:10 AM

This gun linked on GA was originally a 10ga? Sure doesn't look like 28" bbls, but the buttstock makes it look pretty out of balance. I see some serious rasp work in that stocks future...

Mills Morrison 10-28-2012 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by George M. Purtill (Post 84113)
I have seen the GUN and it is gorgeous.
What a great climax to a long hunt.
I hope someone photographed it and will post pictures.


I saw it too and it sure was beautiful. It was good to see a lot of you in Georgetown and hope to meet the rest of you at a future event

Tom Carter 10-28-2012 06:45 PM

Greetings
 
Hi Mills, It was a pleasure meeting you as well. Hope to see you at the Sanford in April. Cheers, Tom

Mills Morrison 10-28-2012 07:44 PM

Tom, You, David and the others involved put on a first class meeting. Julia and I had a great time and we are working on arranging for Sanford.

Bill Murphy 10-28-2012 10:12 PM

Linda and I went around the course with Mills and Julia and had a great time. Yup, Tom and David were great hosts. Thank you for the comments about the old brown CH Bernard gun. I put out a full history of its original owner and seller who were both from nearby Charleston. More than a few read about the gun and the family history of the original owner, and commented on the local connection.

Dean Romig 10-29-2012 09:43 PM

Nuts!! I never saw your gun Bill... Never thought to ask. It's my own fault. I hope to see it sometime in the future.

Mills Morrison 10-29-2012 09:46 PM

You missed one heck of a gun. The engraving was just meticulous . . . and the Bernard barrels and the story behind it . . . .

Craig Larter 11-05-2012 02:06 PM

Bill: Which gun is THE CH???? The straight grip?? Looks awesome---Please bring it to Hausmann's in the Spring. Craig

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8472/8...a39ff6ab_c.jpg

Bill Murphy 11-05-2012 02:56 PM

Thanks for the pictures, Craig. The top gun, the pistol grip, is DH #74,151 wearing the 28" Bernard barrels and forend. The straight grip gun is the CH # 86,988 wearing the 32" Bernard barrels and forend. The DH will stay in my collection even though I have found the CH back end. Two guns are better than one. Both are #2 frame guns with original skeleton butts. Boths sets of barrels will fit either gun.

Dave Suponski 11-05-2012 03:35 PM

Thanks for the pictures guy's. I missed seeing this great gun also! Drat...

Jack Cronkhite 11-05-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 85102)
The DH will stay in my collection even though I have found the CH back end. Two guns are better than one.

Very practical philosophy. It then must follow that 3 are better than 2 and 4 better than 3 and 5 better than 4 and so on and so on .......... Where does it end. I may need help.

Cheers,
Jack

Bill Murphy 11-05-2012 05:27 PM

This is a pair of Parkers I can afford. The DH back end was $750, the CH back end was $900, and the barrels were $400. So far, I'm in $2050 for the two guns and have the CH stock to fix or replace. About six feet of copper wire ought to do it.

Bill Murphy 12-22-2013 03:56 PM

Craig, thanks for posting the pictures of the pair of reunited guns. Let's see, since the last newsbreak, I have located the original barrels for the DH grade, courtesy of friend Gary Carmichael, who found them on a gunshow table in North Carolina and brought them home to Virginia. He caught my ad on the missing parts subforum and we reached an agreement. Unfortunately, John Davis long ago used the forearm for #74,151 on his BH project and I will have to find a DH forearm to finish the project. The saga of DH is almost as interesting as the CH. Parts for the DH came from Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, and ultmately to me in Maryland. Another chapter of the story came recently when Kevin McCormack presented me with the restored original case for the great CH two barrel set. As always, it is a great job with no sign of the restoration visible. The entire leather binding around the lid of the case was broken away and rotted, causing Kevin to have to drill and restitch hundreds of stitches in the new leather. Unfortunately, 2012 wasn't the best year for me and I missed the Northeast and the Fall Southern. I will try to bring this finished pair of reunions to the Northeast Shoot in the spring. If Dave or Dean will take the pertinent pictures, we can throw something together for the next PP. The as yet to be replaced forend for the DH and the restocking of the CH will have to wait a bit. As you can see in the pictures posted a page or two back on this thread, the second forend for the CH fits just fine on the DH and looks like it belongs there. Thanks again to Jack Cronkhite who put this entire project together for me, one hour and forty nine minutes after my last ditch post on page one of this thread.

Jack Cronkhite 12-22-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy
Thanks again to Jack Cronkhite who put this entire project together for me, one hour and forty nine minutes after my last ditch post on page one of this thread.

Bill: Like many things in life, a bit of bullshit luck helps a lot. Google has changed our lives and the internet gets us in touch with way too many great guns. Can't have 'em all but wouldn't that be nice. I'm very pleased that the reunion of long separated parts came together for you. Cheers, Jack :)

Dave Noreen 12-22-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

About six feet of copper wire ought to do it.
At the price of copper these days it might be cheaper to have Craig restock it!!

Dave Suponski 12-22-2013 05:53 PM

Bill, I would be happy assist in any way I can.

Bill Murphy 12-22-2013 06:15 PM

Just to clarify the January 14, 2012 google hit on my serial number, courtesy of Jack Cronkhite, Jack's hit was a very small window of opportunity. Bud Stanley's website chat rolls over on almost a daily basis if it is used and Bud does not allow any rehash of previous chat. Bud doesn't get a lot of activity, so the "86988" post remained active on his site for almost three months, when it would normally rotate out of google range in a day, again, if it is used. Three months before his hit and just a few days later, "86988 parker shotgun" would only appear as posts on Dave Weber's site and the PGCA site. I had been posting mentions of 86988 on gun sites and searchiing on google since before 2006. By January of 2012, I had given up on google and rested my hopes on the PGCA forum. Only Jack took a shot at google after I had tried google for probably six or ten years and failed. I hope this explains what a shot Jack took and succeeded. The PGCA forum takes the credit for reuniting the barrels of my DH #74151, along with Gary Carmichael, but that was a piece of cake compared to Jack's effort. Thanks both of you, and thanks also to John Davis who turned one great original gun into two by selling me the wonderful DH back end that fit my CH barrels with almost no effort. I love these PGCA guys who will send a gun or parts across the country for no payment on the chance that they will fit your gun. Wait until you guys see the next one. Linda and I will see you at the Northeast. Thanks for enjoying this thread so far.

Mills Morrison 12-22-2013 06:37 PM

Bill, That was a great find and IS a great gun. We are still waiting on the Parker Pages story on your adventure with this gun

Rich Anderson 12-22-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 74731)
At my estate sale, a cased .410 Skeet marked at $7500.00 will sell for $7500.00, no tax, no buyer's premium. Y'all come.

You have my e-mail address and mailing address....NO hurry:)

Bill Murphy 12-22-2013 09:00 PM

You understand, of course, that you have to be here to read the tag attached to the gun.

Rich Anderson 12-23-2013 10:26 AM

Ok, just give me some advance notice so I can put a little gas money away...or we can get a head start and you can just bring it to the Southern or Hausmanns we can avoid the crowds that way:rotf:

Bill Murphy 07-03-2014 11:09 AM

I'm bringing this thread to the top for the reading pleasure of "Dollar", the owner of the recent South Carolina gun show find, another C Grade two barrel set that started life in South Carolina. I just reread the entire thread and punched the "Thanks" button for all posts that were supportive of my efforts. Kevin has finished the case and we will try to get some pictures of the entire outfit. The provenance of the owner and seller of the gun is astounding, including Civil War anecdotes concerning invading Yankees and home invasions, as well as plantation life in post war years.

charlie cleveland 07-03-2014 05:25 PM

bill did you ever find the rest of the gun.. charlie

Bill Murphy 07-03-2014 05:53 PM

Yes, Charlie, the gun is all together in its original Parker Brothers trunk case with both sets of barrels and the back end intact. It was at least a 25 year search, but it is over. The best part is that the DH Grade gun I bought to fit to the barrels on the CH Grade has been reunited with its original barrels also. It is all covered in this "too lengthy" thread. Thank you to all who participated, especially Jack Cronkhite, without whose help this project would not have been possible.

Bill Murphy 07-03-2014 06:02 PM

Gary Carmichael also participated in the reunion by locating the original missing barrels for the DH Grade gun that I had used to put the Charleston gun back in action. Both guns are worth the effort used to put them "together again". Otherwise, a two barrel CH Bernard gun and a DH Damascus gun would be just a jumble of parts separated by hundreds or thousands of miles.

Larry Mason 07-03-2014 09:48 PM

Thanks for re-posting this, Bill. It was just as thrilling as the first time. You would not happen to have the Damascus barrels for a BH 1 1/2 frame, serial number 83030?

Thanks again,
Larry

Bill Murphy 06-17-2017 12:45 PM

Ok, here's the end of the story. Gary Carmichael had the barrels that fit the DH gun that John Davis had the back end for. Gary bought those off of a gun show table in NC. I bought both the back end and the barrels from John, but was short a forend. John had used the Titanic barrels and forend from 74151 to make a two barrel set out of a favorite BH. Fast forward a few years, and John Davis advertised the Titanic barrels for sale on the PGCA forum. I PMed John about the barrels, not knowing they were from my gun #74151. John didn't remember either, or he would have contacted me before putting the barrels up for sale. Fast forward again, I bought the barrels and forend and this morning, located the back end and Damascus barrels for 74151 in my gun room and snapped on John's Titanic barrels and forend. Now, I not only have a two barrel CH (The Charleston Gun), but I have a beautiful two barrel DH with Damascus and Titanic barrels and original forend, although John had renumbered the Titanic barrels and forend to the number of his BH gun. Now I have two great multi barrel sets thanks to four or more of our members, most important, Jack Cronkhite, Kevin McCormack, Gary Carmichael, and John Davis, as well as Paul Ludwig on the West Coast, who had the CH back end, and Bud Stanley, who hooked me up with Paul and the CH.

Jack Cronkhite 06-17-2017 12:56 PM

Great end to the story Bill. Gun now needs a good hunting story to put the icing on the cake. Cheers, Jack

Bill Murphy 06-17-2017 01:02 PM

Jack, the hero of this story, I checked the spelling of your name this time and edited my post to give you proper credit. Thank you so much, my good friend.

Robin Lewis 06-17-2017 02:10 PM

Wow, great to see it all come together! Any idea how or why these "parts" originally went into the wind?

Bill Murphy 06-17-2017 05:25 PM

The CH Bernard gun was separated from its barrels in a house in PA. The back end of the gun went to the West Coast, the barrels, forends and case ended up at the Allentown, PA show where Kevin saw them and told me about them. The DH gun was separated from its barrels, the Damascus barrels ending up at a gun show in NC and the rest of the gun in Georgia. Gary Carmichael bought those Damascus barrels in NC , took them home to Virginia and offered them for sale. I saw the ad, bought them and took them to Maryland. The fluid steel barrels that came from out of the blue ended up with John Davis in Georgia. He would use those and the 74151 forend on his BH two barrel project. Those barrels would have disappeared into gun commerce except that I saw John's ad offering them for sale. When John and I were negotiating, he realized that I owned the back end of the gun that belonged to his barrels and forend. So, like always, I bought them. Now everything is safe at home in Maryland. Two complete two barrel sets reunited. I think I got all this right.


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