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Bill Murphy 07-26-2021 06:50 AM

When my dad migrated from northeast PA to Washington in 1936, they said he sounded like a Chinaman. They got used to it when about half the population of PA migrated by the end of the war.

Mike Koneski 07-26-2021 08:02 AM

Yes we do Craig. It’s a private range but we open it up for you guys to plink after the SxS shooting is done for the day. 50-105 yards with steel targets. No solid copper bullets on my AR-500 steel. Bang & Clang!

Dean Romig 07-26-2021 08:29 AM

I used to grt bloody knuckles when shooting steel targets with .38 solid lead wad cutters from the splatter. I can’t even imagine shooting lcketed bullets at steel targets, let alone solid copper….





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Randy G Roberts 07-26-2021 10:37 AM

Best Route
 
I will be coming in from the Columbus, OH area and have the option of heading N on 71 and cutting across OH and PA on 80 E or taking 70 E out of Columbus across OH and PA. Both routes are about equal in time and distance. Anyone familiar with the area care to make a suggestion considering construction, tolls, etc?

Stan Hoover 07-26-2021 11:09 AM

Randy,
I can't make any recommendations on what road construction you will encounter. I think the upper route (I 80) in Pa would be a bigger highway and maybe less congested because you're further from Pittsburg.

I thought the lower route would have some tolls, but after plugging it into Google Maps from Columbus to Meshoppen, the route it suggests doesn't show any tolls.

I like traveling 80 when I'm up that way, (big rolling mountains and scenery) but I rarely do since I'm in the lower half of the state.

JMO,
Stan Hoover

PS. I personally prefer the scenery from the top down:cool:

Daryl Corona 07-26-2021 11:15 AM

Randy;

I agree with Stan. When heading west from MD I always take I-80 instead of I-70. Problem is you never know what roadwork they have planned. Either route, drive safely and see you there.

Randy G Roberts 07-26-2021 11:57 AM

Thanks fellas. If the Northern I 80 route is the more scenic then so be it. It really is a flip of the coin for me time and mileage considered. Thanks for the help. See ya'll real soon.

CraigThompson 07-26-2021 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 339312)
Yes we do Craig. It’s a private range but we open it up for you guys to plink after the SxS shooting is done for the day. 50-105 yards with steel targets. No solid copper bullets on my AR-500 steel. Bang & Clang!

I was thinking of trying my buckshot loads in my hammerless 8 gauge . I don’t need but 25 yards :whistle:

CraigThompson 07-26-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 339314)
I used to grt bloody knuckles when shooting steel targets with .38 solid lead wad cutters from the splatter. I can’t even imagine shooting lcketed bullets at steel targets, let alone solid copper….





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I hear you , we have flip over reset manually pistol targets at our club . Thirty years ago when I had notions of trying my hand at Bullseye I had Maryland Gun Works build me a S&W Model 10 PPC race/bullseye gun . Anyway shooting that thing at ten yards at the flippers with 148 grain WC’s pushed with two grains of Bullseye every now and then a slug would hit the poppers and come back . Got hit in the chest more than once , thankfully the energy had dispersed enough where it didn’t even bruise .

Dean Romig 07-26-2021 01:05 PM

You’re lucky Craig. I took a couple of fragments in the forehead and they drew blood.

A great case in support of eye protection.





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Mike Koneski 07-26-2021 02:04 PM

We shot a lot of action pistol before we got into sporting clays. Steel Challenge, IPSC, bowling pin matches… It was a lot of fun but after shooting sporting the first time I was hooked.

Tom Pellegrini 07-26-2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 339348)
We shot a lot of action pistol before we got into sporting clays. Steel Challenge, IPSC, bowling pin matches… It was a lot of fun but after shooting sporting the first time I was hooked.

Mike,
I shot in a Bullseye League for 14 years when I lived in PA. After shooting sporting clays there is no turning back. I still take the competition hand guns out periodically and I am a little rusty but with a little practice I would be right back up in the class I competed in.

Tom Pellegrini 07-26-2021 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl Corona (Post 339280)
Smitty and I will be right there with you Yankees nestled in at the "Grotto". Just look for 2 labs and a shorthair roaming the area.

Bringing too many guns to list but will be shooting my PAC B grade for the first time in competition since I've owned her for the Fox big bore event. A Parker or two, a long legged Fox smallbore, a Lefever and an Ithaca. We show no favorites.

Myself and my "other side " will be coming in around 6pm Wednesday. See you at the Rock.

Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 07:56 AM

Is there a designated start time? Or is it shoot as you want? I imagine we won't start until after Mike does a dance and song for us : )

Mills Morrison 07-27-2021 08:03 AM

Good luck to Mike putting on a great show and hope everyone has fun! Sure wish we could be there

Daryl Corona 07-27-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco (Post 339393)
Is there a designated start time? Or is it shoot as you want? I imagine we won't start until after Mike does a dance and song for us : )

No designated start time but things get rolling around 0900.

Thanks a lot for that song and dance question. I'll need some bourbon therapy to get that image out of my mind.

Frank Srebro 07-27-2021 09:21 AM

As Daryl wrote, no designated start time. Just get a few guys or gals to shoot with and go out to your event start station. In the past Mike asked for at least 3 (as I recall) on a squad. No 2 person squads to include husband and wife, father and child, etc. Besides, the more the merrier. Remember the vintage SBT and vintage pump gun events!!!!

Dean Romig 07-27-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Srebro (Post 339401)
No 2 person squads to include husband and wife, father and child, etc.


Frank, I don't understand that statement...?





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Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Daryl Corona (Post 339397)
No designated start time but things get rolling around 0900.

Thanks a lot for that song and dance question. I'll need some bourbon therapy to get that image out of my mind.

I think a Flamenco Dance with Mike and Sam would be most fitting, with Tad working the strings of the guitar. Aaah....I have imagery of Mike in a tight fitting flamenco outfit now...

Mills Morrison 07-27-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco (Post 339407)
I think a Flamenco Dance with Mike and Sam would be most fitting, with Tad working the strings of the guitar. Aaah....I have imagery of Mike in a tight fitting flamenco outfit now...



Trying to unsee . . . . :shock::shock::shock:

Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 10:16 AM

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Frank Srebro 07-27-2021 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 339403)
Frank, I don't understand that statement...?


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Dean, I'm surprised you never saw that rule while at at tournament. Husband/wife and father/child are fine if they shoot along with at least one other person. The key words are no "2 person squads". Too easy to cheat on the score while at a score-ur-own event. Yeah I know that Mike isn't running the World SxS Championship and that we're all gentlemen and women. Just sayin that we all pay the same entry fee per event, and those who shoot for fun AND score, get upset and with no recourse except for a confrontation when they follow a squad that's casual (kind word) on the scoring. :banghead:

Believe it or not there are known pair cheaters who are the subject of behind the scenes talk at these SxS events.

Dean Romig 07-27-2021 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Srebro (Post 339411)
Dean, I'm surprised you never saw that rule while at at tournament. Husband/wife and father/child are fine if they shoot along with at least one other person. The key words are no "2 person squads". Too easy to cheat on the score while at a score-ur-own event. Yeah I know that Mike isn't running the World SxS Championship and that we're all gentlemen and women. Just sayin that we all pay the same entry fee per event, and those who shoot for fun AND score, get upset and with no recourse except for a confrontation when they follow a squad that's casual (kind word) on the scoring. :banghead:

Believe it or not there are known pair cheaters who are the subject of behind the scenes talk at these SxS events.


Believe me Frank, I know that.

I have never seen that rule because I have never shot the Main Event anywhere - I'm not good enough to play that game.

But family members are not the only ones who are "casual" about scoring... good friends have been known to do it too.
Possibly a better way the rules should be worded, "If you want to shoot with a good friend or family member you must also squad up with someone who you don't know or who is a stranger to you."...?





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Frank Srebro 07-27-2021 12:40 PM

Dean, if you knew that why ask the question?

I’m not sitting around here bored and with plenty of time to proofread my off the cuff posts to the nth degree so 100.0% of the readers whether fun or serious shooters are sure to know exactly what is meant. My post at 9:21am today was written on my smart phone while our pup and I were in the vehicle and waiting for my wife to finish some shopping. It was intended to be helpful and I'll bet almost everyone caught its meaning even without my later reply.

You certainly know there are many nebulous posts here and if you want to make it your editorial mission to correct and suggest better ways they could have been written, have at it. But try not to pick out some and let the rest go.

Tempest in a teapot comes to mind here.

Dean Romig 07-27-2021 03:48 PM

I did NOT know why you seemed to be singling out "husband and wife, father and child" in your post. Your meaning was entirely lost on me and possibly several others - I was only trying to get some clarification to your somewhat nebulous post. We've always been very cordial and friendly in the past.


Be well my Friend.





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Reggie Bishop 07-27-2021 03:58 PM

Heck Dean, everyone in our community gnash their teeth and rend their garments when my wife and I enter any events of gamesmanship!

Dean Romig 07-27-2021 04:18 PM

Yeah Reggie - Apologies to everybody here. This is embarrassing to say the least.

Bygones I hope.





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Frank Srebro 07-27-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 339453)
I did NOT know why you seemed to be singling out "husband and wife, father and child" in your post. Your meaning was entirely lost on me and possibly several others - I was only trying to get some clarification to your somewhat nebulous post. We've always been very cordial and friendly in the past.


Be well my Friend.

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Yes you too Dean. Probably the reason I mentioned husband/wife and father/child is that some of the known sporting cheaters fit those categories. And when they shoot in twosomes, one or both always come in with a good score. That’s not fair to the rest of us who pay the same rate for a fair chance at winning either baubles or honors. In recent years we’ve started to see some of those twosomes who are/were sporting clays tournament shooters start into the SxS circuit and I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them at Mike’s shoot.

Peace!

Chuck Bishop 07-27-2021 05:51 PM

Well, I remember a husband and wife team who showed up at the last minute to my little shoot years ago and of course shot by themselves and the guy was high gun and got first Lewis money. Always wondered about that

Daryl Corona 07-27-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Bishop (Post 339471)
Well, I remember a husband and wife team who showed up at the last minute to my little shoot years ago and of course shot by themselves and the guy was high gun and got first Lewis money. Always wondered about that

That's one of the couples that Frank is alluding to. There are also a couple of guys who shoot together on their 2 man squad who pull the same crap.

That was part of the impetus behind my squadding makeover for the two challenge events.

Daryl Corona 07-27-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Srebro (Post 339468)
Yes you too Dean. Probably the reason I mentioned husband/wife and father/child is that some of the known sporting cheaters fit those categories. And when they shoot in twosomes, one or both always come in with a good score. That’s not fair to the rest of us who pay the same rate for a fair chance at winning either baubles or honors. In recent years we’ve started to see some of those twosomes who are/were sporting clays tournament shooters start into the SxS circuit and I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of them at Mike’s shoot.

Peace!

Point well taken Frank. Especially your last sentence. Maybe we should start looking into a classification system for the known tournament/Master class shooters .

Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 06:27 PM

You haven’t figured out the trick yet. You just need to SUCK all around so any attempt to cheat will be very obvious. Works for me.

Mills Morrison 07-27-2021 07:32 PM

My wife can outshoot me with her automatic, but she can’t hit the broadside of a barn with her VH 16 I paid way too much for. Of course, that is when the automatic does not break down which is often

Daryl Corona 07-27-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco (Post 339482)
You haven’t figured out the trick yet. You just need to SUCK all around so any attempt to cheat will be very obvious. Works for me.


That's the beauty of the new selection process Andy. You have just as good a chance of making a challenge team as someone who shot a 45/50. Keep plugging away.

Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl Corona (Post 339502)
That's the beauty of the new selection process Andy. You have just as good a chance of making a challenge team as someone who shot a 45/50. Keep plugging away.

I don't understand a lick about what I'm getting myself into or how it's scored I'm just excited to meet some other Parker folks and see some guns :rotf:

Daryl Corona 07-27-2021 09:21 PM

Don't limit yourself to just Parker folks. There are some great Fox, Lefever nd Ithaca folks just to name a few.:)

Andrew Sacco 07-27-2021 09:23 PM

That is my fear. I’m interested in them all.

Andrew Sacco 07-28-2021 08:19 AM

How does the selection process work?? High score is paired with the suckage for a shoot off? Like a Pro Am golf?


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