Correction, KTP used to charge $49.99. It is now $54.99.

pete you could not get a bag of shot around here for a 100 dollars..theres none to be had around my parts..i can get a little rifle and pistol reloading stuff but nothing for shotguns.. if i need something it has to come on line...and i ve not found much thats reasonable anymore..you boys are lucky that live in the ares were there seems to be no problem getting shot and powder... charlie

The September issue of the NRA's American Hunter has an article entitled

"Where's the Ammo"

they discount the DHS issue and lay the shortages and prices on increased demands due in part to increased gun sales, and an increase in outlets (ranges and stores) and largely on speculators and hoarders.

the high sales caused increases in commodity prices which has increased production costs. the article ends with comments that there are signs of increased supplies beginning to trickle into some areas of the market.

I read that article and beg to differ with the authors conclusion. The people who hoard tend to be shooters. The speculators have to move their product before the music stops and they sell to someone who should want to use the ammo.

The rifle range at my club has fallen near silent. Nobody is shooting much.

Every retail outlet I know imposes a limit on the purchase of ammo and powder which keeps people from hoarding.

The retailers can't get the products from the distributors, the hoarders and speculators are not buying from the distributors.

Something else is going on in this country.

Hi All,

I'm new around here but I've been having good luck, over the last few months, finding supplies at Recob's. They seem to get stuff in fairly frequently. Of course it doesn't last long but, if you can get it into your shopping cart and don't mind paying shipping and haz-mat fees, you'll get it in a couple weeks.

I have no connection with them - just a satisfied customer.

Bruce
1928 SC SBT

Charlie, do you get down to Jackson? If so I've got some PB and Green Dot you can have. Might also scare up some shot and primers. Let me know.

Mike

check your pm s mike..and thanks.... charlie

Charlie, PM back to you.

Mike

I stopped at the Kittery Trading Post today and the situation with reloading supplies remains mixed, lot to no availability and when something is available like lead shot, high prices $54.99 plus tax. There were no reloading powders available except STEEL, a situation which has persisted for at least a year now. Pistol and Rifle ammo is available, notable .223 which was not to be had a year ago. What struck me the most was this is the first time anywhere I have found 22 rimfire ammo available in over a year. 500 round boxes of Aquila brand, subsonic, standard and high velocity 22 LR. No limit per customer the sign said, price per brick, $67.99 plus tax. :eek:

Pete, The componant situation here in CT isn't much better. I can get lead and primers but no powder. Wads I always mail order and luckily that has been okay. A couple weeks ago a buddy of mine and myself found a small gunshop over in NY that had a good supply of powder so we went and bought 20 lbs. of various brands.

This must be a local thing. We can still get just about everything except a couple of powders and loaded shot gun ammo.

I went to a local ammo/reloading supply shop yesterday and they were out of almost everything again- got the last 1lb bottles of 7625 and 4756 since he will likely not be getting anymore.

they had a good supply a while back - but only in bigger bottles, this time he said he could get me anything nobody wanted

I just got 5000 16ga wads from Ballistic Products. I have primers and shot and haven't had to look for powder....yet but the search begins again.

I have purchased two bricks of 555 .22LRHP ammo one Remington the other Federal of less than $30 in recent months.

hear in lower Michigan shortages continue, powder and some wads ,20ga gun clubs have not been in stock since last summer. last winter I purchased every thing I needed for my shooting season which starts next month, this is the plan again.

It's still a bit crazy around these parts. Yesterday the Kittery Trading Post put out 60 "Bucket of Bullets", 1400 rounds of 22LR for $75. Not a terrible price in the current market. They were gone in about an hour.

Twice in recent months I have purchased the 555 pack of 22LR for about $30 and these were HP so thats not a bad price at all.

Saturday I managed to get three pounds of PB (just in case I run out of 4756) and a can of 4756 along with 4000 Win 209 primers.

I am just hoping RST gets their Nice Shot back in stock before next duck season

Here in Michigan we're putting together a order at the club from Dawsons in Ohio [ a wholesaler] and they have about everything in stock except Federal and Remington primers. As I've said before, these shortages must be a local thing. What's nice is that they add the order to a truck load of clay birds so we don't pay shipping or sales tax. We just have to wait sometimes a couple of weeks for them to come up this way to another club. I usually get about 4 to 500$ in my order so I'm saving 24 to 30$ in sales tax alone, plus we get the wholesale price. I did notice PB went from 140 to 152/ 8#'s. The Promo I use is still 85$/8#'s. I've read PB, 7625, 4756 and a couple of other IMR powders will be discontinued because of "lack of sales ".

I am not convinced the powder shortage is local to me nor easing up. If you shop the big reloading retailers as of today; Recobs, Powder Valley, Natchez Shooters Supply, MidwayUSA, Ballistic Products, Precision Reloading, Gameliel etc. You will find that popular Alliant shotgun powders, Red Dot, Promo, Green Dot are not available in any quantity. Most of these places had Promo at all times until just before Christmas.

i m with pete on this one..22 s are still hard to get at fair prices... i look for powder on line and it says out of stock...10 ga hulls are very hard to come by at the moment...there is not a good supply of powder or reloading componets with in 50 miles of me..any body got a suggestion on 10 ga hulls...midway says out of stock...as of last night....charlie

Charlie I have been buying mine through precision reloading with out any problems.

same here Charlie- just got an order of 10 gauge Remingtons last week from Precision

Sorry Pete, Dawsons has every powder except 4756 and 7625 in the 4# container but does have even that in the 1 and 8# containers. There are shotgun primers in Cheddite, Rio, Noble Sport, and Winchester. All the wads and lead you want. So I don't really see that much of a shortage, at least here in the mid -west.

Mr. Harm:
With all due respect, if you are referring to the Dawson's Enterprises in Massillon OH, you are regrettably incorrect. I just phone them today, and they have absolutely NO shotgun target powders available, save a small reserve of Promo.

What's more, they do not expect any powders to be shipped anytime soon. Especially the various "Clays" powders.

Sorry to bear such news...

Not good news John but it helps to confirm my observations of surfing the web that the shortage of shotgun reloading powder has gone from spotty to non existent at this time. Let's hope it eases up soon.

On reading this I called Dawson's and placed an ample quantity of IMR 7625 and PB on hold for Paul Harm's order.

I also asked about the future availability of IMR single based powders. The salesperson laughed when I told of the Internet scare :crying:
I was informed that these powders will continue to be manufactured but will be sold under the Hodgen packaging rather than IMR.

I was also informed that Winchester AA Lite, 780, and two other powders will be discontinued.

If anyone knows anyone at Hodgen corporate headquarters who they may ask to can confirm the above listed logical explanition please do so and post up.

All is well in shotgun land...

Mark

Ok so why is there two different stories here? From the same vendor?

Ironically my club does order from this company and powder seems scarce....

The recent scare concerned IMR single base powders, which Dawson's have in stock.

The IMR powders seem to be available, but Alliant is not an easy find....

Does Dawsons do mail orders???

The information I posted came directly from the owner's mouth at 10:45 am today. I saw him personally at 11:30 when I bought 16 lbs. of Promo.

If anyone doubts the situation, you are welcome to phone Dawson's yourself at 330-833-0014

Mark if all was truly well in shotgun reloading land any of us should be able to go our local gun shop or any of the various on-line retailers and buy one or more of popular shotgun target powders; Red Dot, 700-X, Clays, Promo etc. I don't see that is the case. If you found some powder somewhere that's great but right now that seems to be quite an exception to the current situation. I am simply reporting my observations of surfing various retailer websites and reporting the powder situation has worsened.

There's not an ounce of powder in either of the Alaska Sportsmans Warehouses I was in this past week. Nada. There wasn't a single primer other than a stack of Rio 209's when I walked into the Anchorage store but as I walked around a guy came out with a cart full of cases to stock the shelves and I grabbed a 1000 federal 210's for my .30-06. Shot is $53/25# bag.

I understand Kensal, I belong to one of the larger clubs in Michigan and we have a hard time getting product from the same supplier. Thanks for the clarification.

Is there an equivalent substitute for Sr7625?
Also: anyone have a 2 1/2" 16 gauge low pressure load for longshot? I have a lot of long shot.
Thanks

Another observation, many sources have told us the shortages are the result of hoarders and opportunists look to make a buck by gouging. Last year Gunbroker had lots of auctions along these lines, I remember seeing 16lbs of 700-x for $450 plus shipping. Looking today there is hardly an auction for any of the popular target powders, leads me to believe the opportunists are having trouble finding product to sell.

Who makes the powders which go in commercial (ie Remington, Federal, Winchester) shells? Given that the ammo makers are all going all out to produce what they can (don't forget about Homeland Security's purchase of millions (billions?) of rounds). Is it possible that there is not enough powder-making capacity at this time?

I believe they get it from the same places we do. Perhaps a different mixture but I'll be it's supplied by Hodgen, Alliant ect. I know from talking to RST I'm using the same powder in my 16's that they do. Some of the more popular rifle powders 4350 and H380 were bulk military surplus powder.

I must plead guilty on both counts. Whenever I have the "opportunity" to buy some usable powder at a fair price, I buy it!

My resulting sin is that I then "hoard it" with the intention of using it myself!

I had to go on a hunt for suitable 20 G powders. I recommend anyone looking for substitutes go to one of the "relative quickness" charts list the powders that are about the same burn speed as the one you want then cross check with several loading manuals to confirm they are good alternates.

With half a dozen powders to chose from found a good supply of something I would not have thought about that is working very well

Bill