Looks like I got the loads mixed up that I posted.There is no extra gas seal used in the 1 1/8 oz load which would change the stack height.As other posters have suggested you just need a bit more filler and adjustment to your loader.If using the bp1044 wad in place of the sp10 there may be a little difference in filler needed.I do also use a brass star pre crimper which may help with new hulls.They have sharper corners than the original mec.Looks like you are winning by the last photo.Sorry for any confusion.Jeff

I put an 1/8" washer between the MEC star crimper and the frame of my VersaMec to get a deeper and more defined fold to the crimp.

I have one on order

Is there a concern about so much shot being well in front of the wad cup?
It seems like it could lead to more deformed shot and less uniform patterns.
What is reality?

I’ve never noticed a problem in the 10 or 8 gauge guns filling in the shot cup a good bit with spacers . They break targets at a pretty decent poke and take down feathered targets at a pretty good distance .

This is my reality. 30" circle at 40 yards. 1905 Remington 1894 10ga, 30" barrels with .045 and .046 choke shooting Fed hull 2 7/8", Win 209 primer, 19.3 gr Red Dot, SP10 wad, 1/2"+ fiber filler wad in shot cup, 1 1/8 oz Lawrence magnum #6, fold crimp. Patterns are 92/93%

I have a Lefever G 10 that shoots about the same, My Parker NH and H&R D grade shoot mid to high 80% at 40 yards with same load.

Those are pretty tight patterns Pete. What are the choke constrictions on the Parker and the H&R and how long are the choke tapers on all of them?
Parker Bros. seemed to believe a long choke taper made a difference.





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That Remington has a six inch taper, the stock fit, the weight 8 3/4 lbs, the 30" barrels with those chokes has made it my favorite salt water fowler.

My 10 lb 5 ounce NH with 32" barrels has .024 and .030 constriction with about a 4.5" taper. The H&R also 10 lb 32" and the most massive of barrel walls has .036 and .040 constriction but I don't know the taper length. Both are good guns if you are sitting down with them across your lap until needed and I find it hard to stop my swing once I get them moving lol.

My 30" Lefever G 10 is 9.5 lbs with very thick barrel walls has .042 constriction in both barrels, unknown to me taper and also shoots the same load at 92/93%.

I also have a Lefever F grade 10 with 30" tubes, 8 1/4 lbs with .003 and .018 and in spite of the constriction it delivered patterns of 53 and 85% with 19 gr Red Dot 1 1/8 #6. A bit of a head scratcher but it's a nice 10 to carry.

A lot of shot above the shot cup doesn't seem to detract from the patterns in my experience.

Finally getting some acceptable crimps.

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A friend suggested I get one of these and I did . It’s a heck of a lot easier getting the crimp in the right place on fired hulls . https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Su...tinfo/0740006/