Mr. Gietler;

Me thinks you are a troll and as I get older I have absolutely no tolerance for posters like you. Please go away. If you live near me I'd love to challenge you to a shooting match, either live birds or clay targets, you using your BSS 12ga with 1 1/4oz loads (which I'm sure you shoot at everything) and I will take the pitiful 28ga. and proceed to show you just how wrong Askins, and you, are.

BTW; I have a BSS 12ga. and it's a club.

Gentlemen in Texas don't hunt quail with a 12 ga.! I'm a 20 ga. guy for dove and quail mostly. I HAVE, on occasion, pulled out my 30" FxF 1 1/2 VH 12 ga.for those late season high flying doves 'cause it works.
Waterfowl........all's fair. I shoot my 16s a lot over decoys, tend to go to 12 ga. late in the season. Birds are more heavily feathered and sometimes a bit shy and wary. I'm only mad at the geese about once or twice a year anymore. Then it's an Ithica Mag 10 or a 3 1/2 mag 12 ga Winchester.

I hope our PGCA Board does not degrade to the level commonly found on the Doublegunshop Board. Differences of opinion should be recognized and accepted as just that differences of opinion.
I know Mr. Gietler. He is not a troll and does not deserve that kind of treatment for one of his first posts here.
Bob Jurewicz

Thanks, Mills. You have just given me my excuse.

Should I ever be so lucky as to present myself for Southern plantation Quail, I don’t want to be shut out by solely owning side-by-sides in the disallowed 12 and 16 gauges.

And what gun fancier really wants to be on a hunt while shooting a borrowed weapon.

Always happy to be of service. I will say I want to get a Parker 12 gauge half frame and take it quail hunting. RST 7/8 or 3/4 12 gauge should be just the thing. The type of load used is probably as important as gauge

Thanks, Bob. I've shot competitively for many years, have made money shooting a12 gauge. I totally get the dominance of the 12 gauge, as an all around gun. I love to hear what people think regarding guns, gauges, etc.
That said, I will be opening our dove season with a .410.
I will pick my shots, and promise to not cripple any game birds.

16 & 20 parkers

16's and 20's for me here in NH. Added a 28 to the collection this year and will hopefully be fit when October comes.

Yes, sub-gauges are fun to shoot and easy to carry. Yes, many of today's put and take quail preserves don't allow anything bigger than a 20 gauge. Why would you when you've either got to literally kick the bird up or send in a flushing dog to get something even close to a covey rise? And yes, sub-gauges seem to be the latest rage among collectors these day's.

But the fact remains that the 12 is and has been for the past 150 years the most popular gauge to shoot. It overtook and supplanted the 10 and it withstood the advent of all other smaller gauges. There is a reason that 99% of all guns used for trap are 12's. If you didn't have sub-gauge events in skeet and sporting clays, the same would be true for those disciplines as well. And with the opening day of dove season just around the corner, a vast majority of the guns you'll see in the field will be 12's.

So to be clear, I love a 16, 20 and 28 gauge as much as anyone. I enjoy shooting them in pursuit of most upland game. But if I'm going to travel a thousand miles to shoot wild birds in South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas or anywhere else, I'm probably going to be shooting a 12 gauge.

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:rolleyes:

season must be getting close, the annual tribal questions begin to show as everyone gets anxious (BTW- the original post was innocent enough)


heck- Bert Spiller the poet laureate of upland hunting hunted grouse with a 10 gauge - must have been as good as 2 20's if he used one

but really, not a gentleman or a real bird hunter unless you agree with a post :shock:


i have an unusual suggestion - why don't we shoot whatever gun we shoot best and concentrate on being sportsman worthy of our game and our dogs