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Dave Noreen 09-05-2018 02:12 PM

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These are the LEADER Super-Speed offerings from a 1937-8 Winchester folder --

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and here are the regular Super-Speed listings from the same folder --

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and finally the RANGER listings showing the Handicap Trap Loads with the Kopperklad shot near the bottom.

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Another thing to note is that Winchester put up the 1 ounce 20-gauge, progressive burning powder, high velocity, load in both a 2 1/2 and a 2 3/4 inch shell, while everyone else only cataloged that load in a 2 3/4 inch or longer shell.

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Dean Romig 09-05-2018 07:28 PM

Bill, didn’t you buy an unopened case of Nash’s ammo a few years ago?






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Bill Murphy 09-09-2018 10:28 AM

I did.

Will Gurton 09-15-2018 09:10 AM

Winchester Leader KopperKlad
 
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Sorry I'm running a little behind the ball lately.

Here is a 3" KopperKlad box I picked up a couple of years ago.

Will

Will Gurton 09-15-2018 09:17 AM

2 and 7/8ths Record Lubaloy
 
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And here is one I got in the mail yesterday.

Bill Murphy 09-15-2018 10:53 AM

Will, are these 3"?

Dean Romig 09-15-2018 11:04 AM

The box is stamped 2 7/8 in. right above WESTERN

Wouldn't those have been made 1/8" longer than a 2 3/4" chamber, adhering to the old practice of making the chambers 1/8" short for a better gas seal?




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Will Gurton 09-15-2018 11:05 AM

Record Lubaloy
 
No Bill they are an eighth of an inch short.

Will

Will Gurton 09-15-2018 11:15 AM

Oddball Length
 
Dean,

My understanding is that special wadding was used to relieve shot deformation in high end target loads and is what predicated the additional length in order to ensure proper crimp.

But I am by no means an authority.

Will

Dean Romig 09-15-2018 11:28 AM

Nor am I Will.




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