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Copied and saved - Thanks Chuck

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I was JUST looking at that engineering drawing for the 1/2 frame myself to refresh things in my head.

The major frame dimensions (except for width) are the same as 1 frames. But the internal millings for the hammers, pins and plungers are 0 frame. And the barrels are a mix of both.

So, Allens info on Remington using 1 frames to make 1/2 frame guns could be supported by this in that Remington may have started with partially machined 1 frame blanks that were at the point in the process to where the 0 frame sized internal machining could be done.

I guess that the analysis would have to be done to completed 1 frame guns to see if the internal millings and parts are the same as 1 frame or 0 frame. ?

OR... it could be that Meriden had a bunch of barrels made up and marked as 1/2 frame and Remington wanted to use them and just plain put them on fully machined 1 frames. So the question is, are existing 1/2 frame guns on ACTUAL 1/2 size frame as per the engineering print. Or are they just 1 frames with 1/2 frame marked barrels.

The print shows them to have the 00 size lightening cuts in them. I do not thing that every 1/2 frame I have seen has had the cuts in them. Chucks example doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Allan H. Swanson (Post 290986)

Well I hate to put a damper on all, but I know for a FACT , that came from the higher management of Remington in writing on design plans, that ALL 1/2 frame guns were to be produced on 1 frame actions. So, I guess that early 1 frame 12 bore can be considered as 1/2 frame guns ??? What say ye ??
Allan

So are you saying, dimensionally 1/2 frame and 1 frame guns are the same? Should be simple enough to measure.

My measurememts were + - .005 compairing my gun to the table in TPS.

As per the above specifications and measurements it looks like a frame that excepts #1 frame barrels and a #0 frame forend.
Has the old theory that Parker was trying to use up old parts, (#1frames and barrels and #0 forends), been disproven ? It always seemed logical to me.

Are there ANY examples of 1/2 frame guns that actually have the "lightening slots cut into flats same as 00 frame"....?

I am left wondering why the 1/2 frame was ever even designed to accept "light 12 or 16 gauge" barrels when in fact Parker Brothers had already produced both 12's and 16's on the number 1 frame. It all seems to me to have been an exercise in futility....... :shock:

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Lets see if I can make this better.

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The drawings that I have seen , the date I do not recall maybe later when Remington moved the entire Parker gun operation to up stat NY, but there was a statement that read"all 1/2 frame guns will use 1 frame actions". One of these date I will verify this and post my findings.

Best to all
Allan