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Francis Morin 10-10-2011 08:24 AM

I'll have to ask my daughter, Dave. This is her Dell
 
I can just barely figure out the keyboard and all the ALT Ctr! and other "bells and whistles" You are correct- the proper spelling is phones- as in telephones. But spell check does not correct all errors, does it? If I were to computer-type this-- "I told you to bring that over here"! A-OK by the computer. how about this version-- "I told you to bring that over hear"!- I'll betcha a flat of RST 12 lites the spell check would give both sentences a passing grade--

But we all learn differently, that is for sure. Here's an example. The other day i called Cabela's to order a video game that works through a TV set- a "Buck Hunt" for my oldest grandson-- the Lady handling the order asked me: "Is that for we?"" I replied-- "No M'am, it's for my grandson, but you can send it to me please- and beisdes, I added, you mean "Us" don't you?" Turns out she was talking about some new gizmo named Wii but pronounced "We" or "Wee- as in Willie Winkie- I don't know--

Anyway, enjoy the Pulasli days. Have taken 4 geese and a Tom turkey from a favorite area farm over the balmy past week-end- two of the geese and the turkey go to the farm family, she is Polish- and makes the best kapusta I have ever eaten- she's going to roast the geese in sauerkraut, and he will have the turkey (about 19 lbs. with feathers still on) smoked-

Bruce Day 10-10-2011 08:31 AM

Well, Chris, that's not how Charlie and I became good friends. Its more of a mutual respect and helping each other out and coming through and performing when asked to do something for the PGCA. We agree on many subjects. And not being snarky with each other.

And as for Francis, I have spoken with him, and yes I believe he really has a couple A grades. I've not seen him say anything about having AA grades. He is very cautious about posting photos and is wary of some people, not necessarily PGCA members, who lurk here. Although Francis has his own style and does go on, I believe he is a stand up, trustworthy, smart guy, who adds variety and color to this forum. As for his misspellings, we all missppell and I think that may just be his style.

charlie cleveland 10-10-2011 12:33 PM

congratulations on that tom turkey and the geese...charlie

Christopher Lien 10-10-2011 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Day (Post 51811)
"Well, Chris, that's not how Charlie and I became good friends. Its more of a mutual respect and helping each other out and coming through and performing when asked to do something for the PGCA. We agree on many subjects. And not being snarky with each other.

And as for Francis, I have spoken with him, and yes I believe he really has a couple A grades. I've not seen him say anything about having AA grades. He is very cautious about posting photos and is wary of some people, not necessarily PGCA members, who lurk here. Although Francis has his own style and does go on, I believe he is a stand up, trustworthy, smart guy, who adds variety and color to this forum. As for his misspellings, we all missppell and I think that may just be his style."

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Well, Bruce, It's interesting to know you two fellas have such a special relationship of helping each other out and coming through and performing when asked, and it's good you and Charlie are not too snarky with each other. I'm sure things will continue to go well for you both in all your future adventures together... Perhaps one day soon you can get Francis to meet you and Charlie in the north woods for (as you say) "a week of close continual contact", and you boys can help Francis figure out whether he has a pair of AH or AAHE's???....

As for Francis and his rare pair of Parker's, yes he did refer to them as AAHE's repeatedly when he came upon the scene here in 2008, his mention of them as "two 12 bore AAHE Parkers" in the link below (where Bruce was an active participant) is just one of many such examples... Hope this helps both Bruce & Francis remember... I'm sure if Mr. Morin were to post a few images of his rare pair of Parker's, the collective knowledge base here could certainly help him determine what grade they actually are...

http://parkerguns.org/archive/parker...m1/5228-4.html

Best, CSL
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Bruce Day 10-10-2011 05:21 PM

Chris, thank you and we look forward to having you join us.

Look, I have never met Francis, he told me personally in a phone call that he has two AH grade Parkers, and he came up with a plausible explanation. I don't think he is the out and out liar type, that's all. Francis, if you want to send me, Dean or John or a couple other trusted people photos, we'll post them in a way that it doesn't get back to you directly if you feel a need to keep low key about it. You don't have to know how to e mail photos, e post or anything. Just take them with a cheap camera and send them to me via U S mail, and I can deal with it.

Christopher Lien 10-10-2011 06:27 PM

No thanks Bruce, Not my idea of a good time, you boys can have the north woods all to yourselves...

I'll be busy bird Hunt'n in the West with my Parker's...

Francis you can also send some photos of your rare AH/AAHE? Parker pair to me, i'll post the images for you and say they belong to Bill Murphy, so No one will ever know the AH's actually reside with you... I'm sure Murph will be ok with that...

Best, CSL
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Bill Murphy 10-10-2011 06:41 PM

Chris' link sure brought back some memories. I think I'll go pop a couple of Tylenols.

Christopher Lien 10-10-2011 06:55 PM

You got me chuckling Bill, I had a feeling when I posted that link you might get lost in that "long winded" thread for a while... It got me too, I was rubbing my eyes for an hour after reading through some of it...

Best, CSL
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Bruce Day 10-10-2011 07:23 PM

Well Chris, I appreciate your best regards. You'll be pleased to know that a couple of us were just recently thinking about hunting out west with our Parkers. So let me know and I'm sure we can get together , particularly if you have some good bird ground.

I have good ground to hunt in Montana, Wyoming, Nevada and in Sutter and Yuba Counties in Cal, but nothing in Idaho, so you could be a major help for there.

Bruce Day, new Parker collector

Francis Morin 10-10-2011 08:28 PM

Okay fellows- we have been through "Hell Week'--
 
Chris, I do make typos and miss-spelling errors, as we all do. How does the saying go- "If the Good Lord planned us to be perfect, why do we have erasers on pencils still today?"" As a lad, I knew my Granddad had two fine 12 Parkers, but I didn't pay all that much attention to them, or even his hammer 12 Purdey-- I didn't know an island lock from Long island.

I am sure I was in error if I had indeed written AAH or even A-1 Special, Granddad loved the A-1 steak sauce and often call his Parker of the day his A-1 birdgun-- they both are grade 6- thank you Parker Brothers for using a number grading system, with exception of the Trojan and Vulcan grades of course. I thought the two 12 Trojan grades I have owned were the same Parkers as his- not until later on did I begin to see the difference.

I have, hopefully, learned a lot from all the members on the PGCA, and still have more to learn. One thing concerns market values of Parkers and other high quality firearms- do a market search and check the auction sites to see prices for guns comparable to yours. I believe my Granddad's guns would be worth waaaaay more if they were 20 or 28 gauge, rather than 12- they don't have ventilated ribs or beavertailed forearms, and show some honest wear, just like my Model 12's and lower grade LC Smith 12's--

Had I realized the "strum und drang" my apparent mistaken description of them when I first joined the PGCA, I might better have not said anything- said with the wisdom of 20-20 hindsight.

Bruce- thank you for your kind words. I respect any man who has put his life on the line in combat to keep our Country safe- no matter what branch of the Military or whether he was an O-6, as you were, or an E-6 in my case. I also appreciate your efforts to further Boy Scouting and your leadership in that fine organization, as well as your club's fund raisers to fight Cystic Fibrosis. I hold you in the same highest regard as I do John Dunkle, who, with his wife, set up Renwish to provide aid to a Country that always seems to get the proverbial "short end of the stick". There are, I am sure, many other members of our PGCA, both Forum, Annual and Lifers as are you and John, who also do good works and ask no recognition for that.

Now, let's let the 'sleeping dogs lie- or is that lay?'- and move ahead to grow our membership in the PGCA- as a team!!:bigbye::bigbye:

Gary Carmichael Sr 10-18-2011 08:57 PM

Well hell, Did that 410 repo sell at 29000 ? How many did they make? I am not a repo man but the gun sounds interesting, Bill I was in Cantilly when I got to see the AHE 410 made by Parker Bros I believe it is the only one! It was under a table and it was not in high condition but! I was told the owner paid 115000 for it. It was beautiful in it's day. Gary

Bill Murphy 10-19-2011 08:03 AM

Who had the .410 AHE under the table? I haven't heard about it since it sold at auction.

Bill Murphy 10-19-2011 08:16 AM

I looked at the link for the BHE 0000 frame .410 Repro. The pictures of the BHE are still there, but the description has been changed to a "Custom engraved 3 barrel set A-1 Special". I wonder where the BHE is? Gary, do you have some information that it was sold for $29,000? There is no evidence of a 3 barrel A-1 Special except in the description. I think this fellow has lost track of what he really has.

Eric Eis 10-19-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 52415)
Who had the .410 AHE under the table? I haven't heard about it since it sold at auction.

Bill,
When we we in Chantily for the PGCA meeting and I had the skeet guns displayed, the man that bought the gun came up to me and we talked for about an hour or so, he wanted to use some of my old shell boxes and catalogs for a photo shoot with that 410. He did come up to the suite that evening with his son but he was very tight lipped about the gun.

Francis Morin 10-19-2011 04:03 PM

Huum-- a AHE and Chantily lace??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Eis (Post 52434)
Bill,
When we we in Chantily for the PGCA meeting and I had the skeet guns displayed, the man that bought the gun came up to me and we talked for about an hour or so, he wanted to use some of my old shell boxes and catalogs for a photo shoot with that 410. He did come up to the suite that evening with his son but he was very tight lipped about the gun.

- Tight lipped- golly gee whiz, I wonder why so!! Did he have an armed bodyguard with him? If he left an AHE .410, no matter the condition or number of barrels sets in a hotel room unguarded- not a wise move. A friend of a friend told me the BATF is starting to monitor the "high-end" gun shows and events such as "Da Southern", "The Vintagers" etc- incognito I should guess, but as I trust the BATF like i trust either the SEC, IRS or Bernie Madoff's family-- best to beware, or as Col. Day phrased it- Wary!!:bigbye::bigbye:

Bill Murphy 10-19-2011 04:21 PM

Eric, send me an email about what you know about the fellow. Thanks. wilmrph@verizon.net

Marvin Kells 10-21-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Baehman (Post 51343)
The seller apparently got frustrated by the gun not selling at his $26,000 asking price, so now he's bumped it to $29,000.00. That ought to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marvin Kells (Post 51425)
I better buy it quick before it goes up again! :eek:

Too Late! It is up to $55,000 now!

I guess calling a BHE and A1-Special is worth quite a lot!

http://www.gunsinternational.com/PAR...n_id=100189507

Bill Murphy 10-21-2011 04:52 PM

And he still has the picture of the BHE in the ad. He's just having fun.

billie bryant 01-09-2012 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 52417)
I looked at the link for the BHE 0000 frame .410 Repro. The pictures of the BHE are still there, but the description has been changed to a "Custom engraved 3 barrel set A-1 Special". I wonder where the BHE is? Gary, do you have some information that it was sold for $29,000? There is no evidence of a 3 barrel A-1 Special except in the description. I think this fellow has lost track of what he really has.

bill the BHE sold for full price & the 3 barrel A1 spcl. is from bobs collection also, granddad has quite a few combos, along with a very nice 410/28 purdy combo that will be listed this year? thanks, robert

billie bryant 01-09-2012 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 51413)
Strangely enough, that philosophy is often very effective. My mother would resort to that tactic in her antique shop if a particular iten sat in the shop too long.

Bump the price significantly and it will often sell quickly.

Some people just don't think they are getting something of value unless they pay a lot :shock:

haha! i love the the good natured banter & outlook on these auction prices but i am very surprised the BHE 410 sold so CHEAP??

billie bryant 01-09-2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 45745)
Paul, Petersen provenance is less important than the fact that Petersen's guns are the cream of the crop in some cases. Visit the NFM and you will wonder how he accumulated his guns. It seems like one man couldn't possibly do it. I have not seen the Petersen Automotive Museum, but it is probably the same "cream of the crop" type of collection.

bill you hit the nail on the head! bob after about 3 yrs. collecting guns went to a different level as he decided if it was not perfect, rare & had provenance he would pass? his machine gun collection was best in world & he was a tue gentleman when he passed, as 85% of collection went to NRA & winchester museum & rest went to auctions?

billie bryant 01-09-2012 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ehlers (Post 45767)
Bill,

I totally agree with you about Bob Peterson. He was a one of a kind collector and gentleman. He also had the financial where with all to purchase the best & most special of everything. This BHE .410 repro being one of them. It's quite possibly the nicest and one of the rarest of the Parker repro's.

The point that I was trying to make was that Bob is very well known to us now, but how many will truly remember him a generation from now?

As far as the gun goes:
We all know what it sold for at auction just a few weeks ago and now it's the seller that is making a big deal out of it being ordered by Bob Peterson for his collection. When I read the ad I took it that the seller thinks the gun is worth over double what he paid for it because of the provenance. IMO the seller is just fishing hoping to find the right buyer that doesn't know or care that the gun was just hammered at auction for less than half of the asking price.

What is an acceptable profit margin and where does the line get drawn for being ripped off? Only each of as indivduals can answer that question for themselves. If someone buy's this gun at the asking price and is good with it so am I & I wish them the best.

One thing for sure though is the internet has changed the game considerably. A few years ago we wouldn't have know instantly the auction sale price or would we be having this discussion about it.

I just wish one of the members here would have won the auction and been able to put the gun in his collection. Then we would have been congratulating him for winning it, rather than talking about someone trying to hit a home run profit wise.

i understand how you must feel but i knew & hunted with bob over the years in africa & here & have quite a few of his guns, i am not a dlr. but a hunter & collector & yes i sold 410 for for asking price but it is amazing i do not know for sure but i believe it has sold again for a 3500 dollar profit? i have lost on some of my guns & others done well but i do not mind someone making any amount of profit as we all have paid too much for something in this hobby? but you are totally correct in your assesement of bob petersen he was a true gentleman & marge his wife was a great lady also!

billie bryant 01-09-2012 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Shepherd (Post 45780)
I believe that as long as the seller is not misrepresenting the guns he should ask for them what he thinks he can get for them. If he makes a mistake at an auction and pays too much for a gun he will probably be the one to take the financial whipping. If he makes a good deal at an auction I don't see that it obligates him to sell at less than he can get for the gun.

I have owned a small business for twenty nine years and have fielded many questions from individuals about prices being high. When it came time to make Friday payroll or pay the note at the bank I noticed I was always alone and on my own. The selling price is independent of what the product cost the seller in my opinion.

Best,

Mike

MIKE: thank you ! i sincerely apprciate hearing someone explain it as i have always felt? i like you worked hard all my life & was lucky enough to know & workfor bob petersen for quite afew yrs. before i started my own comp. & being successful has had it,s advantages when it comes to my favorite hobby in the world hunting & collecting!the lil BHE 410 went to a great home for what i was aking & then just a few days ago went to a better home? thanks, billie

billie bryant 01-09-2012 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 43542)
Kenny, I don't know when the auction ends, but your bid is way less than the gun is worth. Some of those guns have sold in the twenties. This is my dream gun, but I don't have time to fool with it, but I think you should. Go for it. Go up to the low twenties without any fear of losing money.

well said bill, i sincerely thought i was going to have to go into the twentys to own it? when it stopped at 10,000 i felt very lucky as i have lost alot thinking the same on other guns!haha! i believe we all have?

Bill Murphy 01-09-2012 09:14 AM

Mr. Bryant, when my schedule or checkbook prevents me from participating, I can only give "sage advice". Sage advice in this case was "go into the twenties and you will be pleased". This gun is still my dream gun and I would purchase it from its present owner if he feels generous.


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