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Dan Steingraber 08-06-2022 09:39 AM

A fellow Lefty. Nice bird manners and nose on that pup.

Phillip Carr 08-06-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Garry L Gordon (Post 369145)
Very nice! So had the bird moved? Hard to tell distances with a phone image, but your dog on point was beautiful.

Probably about 25 yards from the end of her nose. I train to have the dogs go on point as soon as they hit sent. I can then walk forward and if the birds have moved I walk back tap her and do a short tweet on the whistle. If birds are late season birds they will walk out from the pointers, but generally one or two relocates and we will have them pinned.

I'm always surprised at desert cover. Things are still lush and thick here...and the chiggers are in full force. I'm guessing there are no chiggers in the desert(?)

Unfortunately at higher elevations such as this 4,000 ft plus we have chiggers.
We have had some decent monsoon rains so things are greening up nice. Unfortunately not all areas have gotten rain.


Phil, it looks like the provenance has begun in good fashion. Now for wild birds? I hope the hatch was decent.

Yes I will use this gun at least once a week for training, and of course some dairy shoots on pigeons, and Eurasian dove are in the plans.
Desert birds took another hit due to the draught. I did see a mom with a dozen week old babies this week. This is really a very late hatch.
We will know about Mearns soon, some areas are looking better.

Stan Hillis 08-07-2022 06:58 AM

Nice video Phil, and congrats on the "first blood".

I was thinking, as I watched that, how snaky it it would seem to be in that grass. I know how those buzz-tails like to come out in the cool of the day. Maybe you were there in early morning and it isn't as much of a danger.

Classy pointer.

Phillip Carr 08-07-2022 07:54 AM

Stan you are correct about snakes. That said, this training area is used by us as well as Several clubs use these fields for trials.
Serpens non grata �� so there are fewer snakes than would be there otherwise.
Unfortunately we have had dogs struck by rattlers.
We plan our days to start with dogs on the ground when it’s still a little dark. This reduces the chance for a bite.
Thanks for the comment on my young dog.

Stan Hillis 08-07-2022 08:28 AM

I was wondering if the Red Rock Biologics Western Diamondback vaccine has ever been proven to have any efficacy for dogs?

I recall it being questionable some years ago, when I was looking for a Timber Rattler and Eastern Diamondback vaccine for my retriever. Found out the the only vaccine for snakes, ever developed for dogs, was for Westerns.

Phillip Carr 08-07-2022 04:45 PM

I know some guys use it. Unfortunately many of the areas we hunt and train in have the have the Mohave Rattler. The Mohave has one of the most toxic venoms of all rattle snakes. My partner had a dog bitten by one a number of years ago and it died within minutes.

Stan Hillis 08-08-2022 06:45 AM

Thanks, Phil. Y'all have some nasties out there.

We flew out for our oldest son's wedding in Oro Valley several weeks ago. After the service late Saturday afternoon the family drove to a nearby park with bike and walking trails for pictures to be taken during the "golden hour". Walking back down the side of a hill, at dusk, the new bride nearly stepped on a Western, which was coiled and ready. My son spotted it just in time to stop her. I decided that indoors is the place to be, in the desert, after sundown this time of year. BTW, when we checked into a local hotel there was a small scorpion waiting on the carpet in the doorway, entering our room. Lots of stuff out there to sting, bite and scratch you!

Phillip Carr 08-08-2022 11:43 AM

LOL yes you need to watch where you put your hand and foot out here.

chris dawe 08-09-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillip Carr (Post 369289)
LOL yes you need to watch where you put your hand and foot out here.

Tell me about it !

Phillip Carr 08-09-2022 07:51 AM

Levitation another of of Chris’s many talents.:rotf::rotf:

Phillip Carr 11-06-2022 09:49 AM

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The weather finally cooled down. Took the Fox out Friday and found some Gamble quail. It definitely shoots as well as it looks. First wild birds taken with it. Those 28” barrels sure swing nice.

charlie cleveland 11-06-2022 03:47 PM

nice.....do those quail eat good....charlie

Phillip Carr 11-06-2022 04:13 PM

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Charlie wild quail are excellent. May be the best eating wild bird in my opinion. I soaked these out and will be making jalapeño poppers wrapped in bacon with a little cream cheese.

Karl Ferguson 11-06-2022 05:26 PM

What a beautiful gun Phil... How are the barrels choked ?

Phillip Carr 11-06-2022 07:09 PM

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Choked Right .007 ( IC ) Left .013 ( Mod ) my favorite choking for 20 gauge over the dogs. Yet still enough choke for the birds that get up a little further, as well as shooting dove.

charlie cleveland 11-07-2022 10:55 AM

holler when you get the birds done and I will be right over...charlie

Phillip Carr 11-07-2022 11:55 AM

You know you are always welcome.

Greg Baehman 11-07-2022 01:08 PM

Not only is your custom Fox impressive and amazing, I find it nearly as amazing to see you’ve got Leinenkugel’s available in your neck of the woods. I thought Leinie’s were more of a regional brew unique to us up here in the Northwoods.

Phillip Carr 11-07-2022 01:20 PM

i got introduced to Leinenkugel about 25 years ago when we went to Milwaukee to fix an airplane. I buy it when I can find it locally. My daughter surprised me with a 12 pack when she came over to watch football yesterday.

Arthur Shaffer 11-07-2022 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip Carr (Post 375030)
Choked Right .007 ( IC ) Left .013 ( Mod ) my favorite choking for 20 gauge over the dogs. Yet still enough choke for the birds that get up a little further, as well as shooting dove.

This reminded me of something I found years ago with a 28ga RBL I bought with 30" barrels.Chokes were .001 and .005. Due to a lot of things, most of my quail hunting, when I do it , is over preserve birds that are pretty tame. I could let them get out, but it thows the timing think off for dogs. I found that for me, the chokes were still too tight, so I started using Spread-R loads. They worked great. When I started backing up my daughter, who was much slower and just starting, I found the gun too open. I then discovered Poly Wads Gram Crack'Rs. They were 5/8 oz loads of number 5 Nidkel olated hard shot completely filled with a polyester beaded filler. I discovered that they seemed impervious to patterning. I could hit quail at 35 yds, and smoke doves at 45. They were the most amazing shells I ever shot at distances over 25 yds.

They don't make them anymore, but I have enough left to last the rest of my hunting life. I suspect that both could be duplicated with different components.

Didn't want to hi-jack the thread. I just wanted to share that it proved to me that we don't need to feel limited by fixed choke doubles. You can carry two or three kinds of loads in your vest and pretty much cover any situation you encounter on a day's hunting. The good thing is you can adjust quicker than diddling with chokes.

Phillip Carr 11-07-2022 03:58 PM

My 28 gauge RBL has 26” barrels and is chocked IC IC. I mainly use it with #9 shot Spreader RST’s over the dogs hunting Mearns quail.
I generally also change shells rather than chokes. I used 7 1/2 shot on these Gambles, but will be using 9’s later on Mearns.
Late season desert birds as well as pigeons and Eurasian dove sometimes 6’s. Although I will shoot what ever I have on the Eurasians.

Stan Hillis 11-07-2022 06:26 PM

Phil, I have hunted and taken Gamble's near Tucson, at Rail X, but have never had the opportunity to try for Mearn's. I'm curious why the shot size change from 7 1/2s on Gamble's to 9s on Mearns. Closer flushes with the Mearn's?

Phillip Carr 11-07-2022 08:32 PM

Stan the Mearns generally flush a little closer, plus they are not near as tough.
The desert birds. Gambles and Scales are darn tough. I have know to shoot 6’s during the later part of the season on mature tough birds. Knock down one of these desert birds and they will bury in Cactus or crawl down a hole.


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