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Chad Hefflinger 02-09-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noreen (Post 325212)
CF would be C = May F = 1937
Neither EB or ER would be reasonable codes. E for the month equals October which is fine but B for the year is 1933 and R is 1924, both too early.

Thanks for the info, the serial number of that gun puts it as post 1934 according to our site 2395xx

Chad Hefflinger 02-09-2021 11:56 AM

Looking closer at the picture I have, I think it may have been the letter D

Dean Romig 02-09-2021 06:15 PM

$17,030.00 ?.... c'mon guys - it's nicer than that!!





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Mills Morrison 02-09-2021 06:31 PM

With 5 days to go, I’d say the final price is far away

Randy G Roberts 02-09-2021 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mills Morrison (Post 325271)
With 5 days to go, I’d say the final price is far away

Yep and it will get really interesting the last hour or so.:corn:

Dean Romig 02-09-2021 07:56 PM

I hope we get to admire it in person some day.






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John Bastiani 02-09-2021 09:34 PM

The dealer finally responded to my email. He must have read my previous post. He said that the case is 85% but that several people have contacted him and said the case wasn't original. He did turn the grip cap around and it fit perfectly. He also said the barrel blue was 95% but never mentioned if was reblued or not. Also said that he was no Parker expert and basically it sounded like he's not going to guarantee that the gun is original.

CraigThompson 02-10-2021 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 325266)
$17,030.00 ?.... c'mon guys - it's nicer than that!!





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With no stipulated return policy in the auction it would be a cold day in hell before you see me bid that amount .

Reggie Bishop 02-10-2021 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by John Bastiani (Post 325300)
The dealer finally responded to my email. He must have read my previous post. He said that the case is 85% but that several people have contacted him and said the case wasn't original. He did turn the grip cap around and it fit perfectly. He also said the barrel blue was 95% but never mentioned if was reblued or not. Also said that he was no Parker expert and basically it sounded like he's not going to guarantee that the gun is original.

Does anyone guarantee that a gun is original??

Dean Romig 02-10-2021 07:43 AM

Thet 28 GHE Skeet is original enough for me. Nobody ever made any changes to it that would alter it from its original configuration. We’ve seen upgrades from VH’s and VHE’s but this is definitely not one of those. This is a very desirable “real deal” that may or may not have been “freshened” according to the opinions of some. And I think we can safely say “the jury’s still out.”





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Reggie Bishop 02-10-2021 07:50 AM

I don't recall ever seeing a GHE 28 gauge skeet gun. I have seen several DHEs and VHEs but no GHEs. Waiting to find one that someone would "guarantee" as original might be a long wait. We know the gun has been sent back to the factory by the repair codes. What was done is anyone's guess. I have my thoughts but they are only thoughts.

Dean Romig 02-10-2021 08:03 AM

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Here’s proof that at least three GHE 28 gauge Skeet guns were made. The subject gun is not one of the three and I’m certain there were more.

This is part of the letter on my 236912 Skeet gun.


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John Bastiani 02-10-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Bishop (Post 325315)
Does anyone guarantee that a gun is original??

Yes- I have bought alot of guns through the years that the seller will back the gun as original and if its not he will refund your money. This seller isn't giving any inspection period and that concerns me when he says that he has no idea if the gun is right or not. This gun should bring north of $40000+ if correct and thats alot of money for a redone gun that would likely bring half of that. I would feel more confident if a few Parker people that know these guns would have seen this gun in person and then given their thoughts.

Reggie Bishop 02-10-2021 10:32 AM

They aren't guaranteeing originality, they are offering you an inspection period to return the gun if you are not pleased with it. Anyone's opinion on originality is just that, an opinion. The gun in question has been back to the factory for work. So it is not in its original condition when it left the factory the 1st time. Does this "void" its originality? I am not arguing, my point is if someone tells me they "guarantee this gun to be original" I just smile and form my own opinion.

John Bastiani 02-10-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Bishop (Post 325337)
They aren't guaranteeing originality, they are offering you an inspection period to return the gun if you are not pleased with it. Anyone's opinion on originality is just that, an opinion. The gun in question has been back to the factory for work. So it is not in its original condition when it left the factory the 1st time. Does this "void" its originality? I am not arguing, my point is if someone tells me they "guarantee this gun to be original" I just smile and form my own opinion.

The problem here though is that your not getting an inspection period to form your opinion and without seeing the gun in person you are taking a big chance if the gun goes for big money. I haven't heard anybody say that the case is original with the internet pictures that are given and probably shouldn't unless they have seen this gun in person.

Reggie Bishop 02-10-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by John Bastiani (Post 325345)
The problem here though is that your not getting an inspection period to form your opinion and without seeing the gun in person you are taking a big chance if the gun goes for big money. I haven't heard anybody say that the case is original with the internet pictures that are given and probably shouldn't unless they have seen this gun in person.

I would not disagree with you on that. There would probably be some who say it looks like Parker Remington case and some who would say it wasn't. The same seller had a 20 gauge GHE that I thought was completely restored, yet others on here said that it looked completely correct.

Rich Anderson 02-10-2021 11:24 AM

I wish I had the serial number for the GHE 20 skeet I had, Hell I wish I still had the gun. It is what it is and if the buyer and seller are happy at the end of the day thats what counts. There was a time when I'd have been all over this one.

John Dallas 02-10-2021 03:36 PM

Isn't there someone on the forum who lives close enuff to Liberty KY to look at the gun?

Pete Lester 02-11-2021 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Peck (Post 325132)
The letter on mine shows it was shipped to a (T.S) C.V Bracher. Research shows that he wasinvolved with Remington ammunition and had some patent letters ?

I have no doubt that mine is an original skeet.

I have no doubt your gun is an original GHE Skeet gun. I have it's sibling 237880. Oddly enough my letter says it was started in June '34, shipped to warehouse Jan '35 and shipped to it's first owner in Mar '36. The barrels are stamped on left side of the lug L E, Feb '36.

Two things, it looks to me like the barrel date stamp was not applied by Remington until the gun was being prepared to ship to a buyer given my letter and stamping??? I also think it was likely your gun was returned to Remington in May '41 and was probably rebarreled at the request of the owner because they wanted to change/increase the choke constriction and that could only be achieved with a new set of barrels. Just supposition on my part and if so still original IMO. I will try to post a picture of my letter and barrel stamp tomorrow when I have better light for picture taking.

Jeff Peck 02-11-2021 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Lester (Post 325504)
I have no doubt your gun is an original GHE Skeet gun. I have it's sibling 237880. Oddly enough my letter says it was started in June '34, shipped to warehouse Jan '35 and shipped to it's first owner in Mar '36. The barrels are stamped on left side of the lug L E, Feb '36.

Two things, it looks to me like the barrel date stamp was not applied by Remington until the gun was being prepared to ship to a buyer given my letter and stamping??? I also think it was likely your gun was returned to Remington in May '41 and was probably rebarreled at the request of the owner because they wanted to change/increase the choke constriction and that could only be achieved with a new set of barrels. Just supposition on my part and if so still original IMO. I will try to post a picture of my letter and barrel stamp tomorrow when I have better light for picture taking.

J.B,

Thanks !

Mine was one of 3 guns in consecutive order all with " skeet" options. The odds of this being returned and remarried with exact length barrels would be unusual versus a repair return.

It is amazing, based on some of the responses here, that if " only " 46 GHE skeet guns exist per TPS, they certainly have a great following.

Pete Lester 02-11-2021 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Peck (Post 325512)
J.B,

Thanks !

Mine was one of 3 guns in consecutive order all with " skeet" options. The odds of this being returned and remarried with exact length barrels would be unusual versus a repair return.

It is amazing, based on some of the responses here, that if " only " 46 GHE skeet guns exist per TPS, they certainly have a great following.

Having been a reasonably competitive trap shooter, six years on the NH state team, I know trap shooters and competitive skeet shooters will make any and all alterations to a gun to make it work better for them, even if the alteration only changes how you feel, confidence is everything.

With modern guns people change chokes all the time, we take it for granted, but back in '41 if you wanted the gun to shoot tighter there was one choice, send it back for a rebarrel. Uncommon but I doubt unusual.

Jeff Peck 02-11-2021 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Lester (Post 325517)
Having been a reasonably competitive trap shooter, six years on the NH state team, I know trap shooters and competitive skeet shooters will make any and all alterations to a gun to make it work better for them, even if the alteration only changes how you feel, confidence is everything.

With modern guns people change chokes all the time, we take it for granted, but back in '41 if you wanted the gun to shoot tighter there was one choice, send it back for a rebarrel. Uncommon but I doubt unusual.



Wouldn't that then require a "2" on the repair code as a rebarrel, versus a 3 ?

Dave Noreen 02-11-2021 08:47 PM

From what I've seen of the 2, is on barrels for Model 11/Sportsman or Model 31s that were sent to and fitted by authorized gunsmiths outside the factory. I'm guessing that Parker barrels were only done at the factory and would have the 3 for repair.

Rich Anderson 02-11-2021 09:16 PM

I don't think I'd put to much stock in the number of GHE skeet guns per TPS. I owned a 20ga GHE skeet and have a GHE 16 skeet/trap two barrel set with all the options and 28 inch barrels.

Dean Romig 02-14-2021 05:14 PM

4 hours remaining and it still hasn’t reached it’s real value. Ther’ll be madness in the last few minutes.





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Russ Jackson 02-14-2021 06:08 PM

I Think you're correct Dean , It's a Beautiful Gun ! The sellers seem like decent folks I spoke with them this past week ,I had a couple of questions and they responded promptly and gave me direct answers ! Who ever gets it will be getting a Real Gem in my opinion !

Jim DiSpagno 02-14-2021 10:32 PM

It’s over $25,877.00 to a t wooden

Dean Romig 02-14-2021 10:40 PM

This is getting really good. I think we know a T. Wooden....

Good luck guys. I know who I’m rooting for.





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Bruce Day 02-14-2021 11:20 PM

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Probably just some local ne’er do well who spends his time chasing small birds.

Bill Murphy 02-15-2021 03:28 AM

Congratulations to Tom. You are the man.

Dean Romig 02-15-2021 06:39 AM

I hope he brings it to some of our events.





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