Yikes! Another winner. Not even a Parker too.

For truth in advertising, check out this line from a description of an LC Smith 20 gauge:

Don't get too excited just yet. This thing is a train wreck. Stock is messed up, barrels are pitted, looks like someone tried to fix the outside, ejectors however, with all the parts, it's just kinda of a parts gun, with possibilities I guess, so the first $450.00 gets it.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734046498

I really need to stay off the auction sites!!

Love the description, especially the rare origial borderless checkering.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/738435632

Just no comment

Good grief

There must have been a lot of stagecoaches running around out there

$5K for a gun with 20" bbls!!!! Now that is funny!! :rotf:

We need to update the Parker Story and include the Stagecoach Model......I just checked and it's doesn't have a chapter about this special model..........

I guess there was a time when there just wasn't a whole lot of black guns running around but someone wanted protection of home, there small shop, etc. They are not thinking about the future value and they just did not need a long barreled sxs. Most people think in the here and now and at that time they were convinced cutting off the barrell to make it less wieldly and open up the pattern for close range was more important that chasing birds with that gun anymore.

Heck probably a lot of these guns that are sawed off might of already had broken or damaged stocks and the sawing off the barrel was just an adaptive reuse since it might only need to be shot one more time and they were not to worried about that stock and gun value. They were probably relatively cheap, plentiful, reliable and very effective, heck there was even a time when it was illegal to own a shotgun that had less than x inch of barrels because so effective and relatively easy to conceal and shoot.

Most people need training and practice to shoot a hand gun reasonably well, not so much with a sawed off shotgun. I think with advent of more black guns for self defense the old saw off shotguns are now coming out and since they say Parker on them they think there is a huge premium and that we will overlook the damage and adaptive reuse to get the brand.

Here is a question for home defense, which gun would you reach for?

No one in the house, or near my house for that matter but Robin and I. Sig P220 .45, and aan AR Carbine in .300 Blackout. I’m chuckling as I write this, but on Robins side of the bed, (I travel a lot) is a savage fox 12 gauge BE with barrels cut to 18 1/8th!, with the stock cut to pistol, and a 30 rd .22 magnum automatic, the make of which escapes me at the moment.

However, should I ever decide to place the fox on GunBroker, I suppose I should describe it as the “gangbanger” model and ask a couple of grand for it!

I'd like to find a app for my phone which represents the slam closing of a pump shotgun

Yes, I love my doubles and all, but there is nothing like the shock and awe value of clicking a pump gun right before you fire.

An empty gun is not of much use, unless its a pump shotgun. Anyone that knows that sound and hears that action knows what it means. I'd say its the next best thing to a warning shot, without being a warning shot. It also has a distinct sound for when that shell rattles around and then hits the tube as opposed to just working the action.

I have Browning BPS turkey gun with synthetic stock that has a 25 inch barrel, and day glow sites. It can shoot 3.5 inch shells and I keep two in the magazine with #4 shot and I have a cylinder choke in it.

I even have a script that I have practiced in my mind. Work the action loudly and aggressively, and then tell them I have a gun and have already called the police. If they have not already left the premises at that point I figure its go time.

Working the action on a pump gun is like hearing a rattlesnake.When you hear it you know exactly what it is and start looking for an exit.

many many years ago- someone was trying to break into house i had then

as i kicked the front door to the porch open i racked the foreend on the pump gun i had then-

whoever it was ran full speed into an August cornfield and kept going- that cannot have felt good :corn:

The click of a pump gun and the rattle of a rattlesnake are two sounds that you never forget, once you hear once.

Here is one, I'm sure there are others..... :corn:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...gun.free&hl=en

Ill stick with easing off the safety toggle on the AR, or if time, easing the hammer back on my SIG so that round 1 is SA. In a "middle of the night" scenario, and someone kicks in your bedroom door, there is no time to fumble for a slide release, and chamber a round. And even if you did have that luxury of time, in a dark house, you just let someone know that #1 you are there, and where you are. An intruder jacked up on crack or PCP is just as likely to begin throwing lead AT the sound as run.

One of my good friends that knows that I have carried concealed for 20 years once asked me, "you don't carry that thing with a round in the chamber do you?", my reply was, that if I am going to carry something for self defense all of the time that weighs 2 pounds, and I was not carrying it in battery, then I might as well carry a brick, as there are no rules or licensing regarding the possession of a brick, and in a typical self defense situation, a brick is at least as effective as a gun not in battery, mavbe more! because the bad guy might not shoot or stab you for brandishing a brick, but most certainly might if you fumble with a pistol trying to "rack the slide".
While I totally support the expansion of the concealed carry opportunities in this country, I am also of the opinion that the general public, is woefully under trained and ill informed about the actual process of carrying a defensive firearm. They rely on their in depth knowledge of firearms thru television cop shows, where the officer gets out of the car and "racks the slide" on his piece before knocking on a door. In the vast majority of forces, you would receive a write up in your file if another office discovered that you were not carrying "in battery". That is the reason so many departments have gone to DA only, or striker fired pistols, in lieu of 1911's, as in order to be truly in battery, a 1911 must be carried "cocked and locked", and it freaks "Joe Citizen" out when they see that pistol in an Officers holster with the hammer jacked back. Not knowing that that gun is no less ready to go, that the guy next to him with a glock.

All of the above though is not nearly as important as a good home security system and plan, good self awareness and situational awareness. Staying away from trouble is the best plan!!

Eric, get Richie cracking on that new chapter on this new found Parker history!! I’m sure he could spin a good yarn on the “Parker Coach Gun”.

Hollywood loves the "...shock and awe value of clicking a pump gun...", as well. And exploits it at every opportunity. It does so the extent where, as the miscreant aggressor makes each additional incremental, menacing step forward, the armed defender just works the clashing slide yet again! In movie-land, if it the sound makes for a stand-alone mini-dramatic moment, why limit the sound of chambering yet another round to just once?



When my father was first issued a permit to carry a firearm for defensive purposes, at the conclusion of the interview, he asked the issuing officer how best to stop an aggressor. In a life-threatening situation, should he (mercifully) fire at a shoulder or limb, so as to avoid any loss of life? The police officer quickly stopped that train of thought and just said...."between the eyes".


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To further illustrate the "Hollywood/Liberal" mindset, if a Parker had black Ryanite stock and forend it becomes an 'assault weapon' simply because of how it looks... and they would want to take it away from us.





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Dean,they want to take the Parkers anyway.I had an ATF agent stand in my store and tell me "I know you don't sell guns used in crime.I don't care.A gun is a gun to us."That is a direct quote word for word.They want them all.

I know I will rile someone and I actually know some ATF agents. Did some work for GSA so bumped into alot of the federal agencies like ICE, FBI, IRS, Bureau of mine safety, ATF. Still just not to certain how valid that agency is anymore. There was a time with bootlegging, tobacco wars and firearms when that agency was created because other law enforcement could not handle. I just think that its operations could be absorbed into other agencies now.

Same thing with ICE and Border Patrol. They basically do almost the same thing its just that Border Patrol jurisdiction is 5 miles from a border, ICE has everywhere else. They actually have redound-it operations in close proximity that each work at about half capacity but they will not combine operations, its maddening to see as a tax payer.

A small moving target under stress ?

Anyone giving realistic advice will say center mass

As for racking the pump gun. These are the same Hollywierd folks that always have to work the slide on a pistol to chamber a round when they draw :rotf:

My Grandmother stopped a drug addict in her own home in the early morning hours. Her house was the third break in on the street that night and when my uncle got up to use the restroom in the middle of the night without turning on the lights he bumped into the man in the hallway in the dark and they proceeded to wrestle and fight when my grandmother grabbed the model 12 from the gun rack over her dresser, pumped the gun to chamber first round and pointed at the mans head and he froze like ice till the police came and took him away. You don't mess with a woman raised in Hazard County Ky.

My son and I were talking about two new Gunbroker buys (Ithaca and 1 grade Parker ). He asks if I had to pay for the guns. I told him yes. He says but wait a minute, you said you won the guns. I didn’t think you had to pay for things you won. . . . Boy, if only

Yeah um, Robin and I have had that discussion a number of times! Funny, I “win” more GunBroker sales in the later evening, when Turkey 101 or Antique Welder are my partners! One of these days I am going to have a “whiskey auction” of the mis-fits in my collection that have been purchased under the influence! A highly customized Crescent 12 bore, with a top grade Fajen replacement straight grip stock, and super glossy hot blued barrels. A real winner!

Boy I can't wait.

“””Same thing with ICE and Border Patrol. They basically do almost the same thing its just that Border Patrol jurisdiction is 5 miles from a border, ICE has everywhere else. They actually have redound-it operations in close proximity that each work at about half capacity but they will not combine operations, its maddening to see as a tax payer.””

Before you get too upset you might want to check your facts. Not sure where you get this 5 mile jurisdiction but thats not correct.

I have lived deep in “Border Patrol” territory almost my entire life. They have no “jurisdiction” limitations other than the entire continental US, and their duties are vastly greater than those of ICE. In addition, in all of the border states with Mexico, they are supported by State Police. They are the first barrier to drugs, human trafficing, and political and terrorist subversion we have.

I am fan of the servants in both agencies and what they do to protect us. They are all Federal officers and have arrest powers across certain so called charges of operations. No debate. I have not gone into a deep dive into organizations and limitations or guidelines but know they roll up into Homeland Security. It was explained to me by an ICE section chief and agents a few years ago what they do and what border patrol is suppose to do, and they told me about Border Patrols is the first 5 miles guideline bit. I have no doubt that BP is involved in operations outside of that area and I know they will combine forces for joint raids anywhere in the US as needed. Not wanting to demean anyone in either organization but that is how/what it was explained to me. Not taking a side.

I have worked with many government agencies and you have to understand that servants in each are advocates for their agency. They all have to fight and argue regarding justification for funding of their agency and operations when it comes to budgets and funding on the Hill, aka as budget crisis and shutdown we are faced with as of today. I also know these rolls and operational guidelines shift as well due to budget issues.

Not wanting to open a can of worms again but my point is that there is so much overlap in some agencies that does not make sense to continue to operate in the way they have as a government entity or from a business decision standpoint. It is a bureaucratic madness. My original point was about ATF. I am just not certain its operations can not be broken down and absorbed into some other agency. Some one made the point that Border Patrol was first line of defense for illegal drugs and guns and probably so which is just another bullet point to the statement.

Anyway, I know its complex and many other interests and points of view but just stepping back and taking a high level view is maddening and confusing.

And the winner is!!!
 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747928754


Holy Smokes!!

It's hard to even see the gun through all the red flags that are popping up.






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Well its definitely not a collectible gun and not certain about it being a shooter. Hard to tell if they underpaid or overpaid for that one. I can't figure whats going on with those barrels and that seam near the patched break in the rib. BTw have you guys seen break in the scroll work like that at what appears to be a seam in the barrel?

That one could be almost to the point where you spray the whole gun black and hang it near the ceiling of the foyer entrance to Pat O Briens in the French Quarter for the drunks to look at. Just took another look it may not be that bad but yes from a far it looks okay but up close in photos there are lots of questions. I guess the receiver, action and forend are worth something not certain about barrels.

"The firearm is all matching expect for the barrel set. However there are original Parker Bros barrel that is of the era."

and in what era did Parker sleeve barrels

maybe - someone with "tactical" in their name is not an expert on doubles

A sleeve job where the rib was not re laid? Almost looked like the tubes were simply butt welded together. And make sure and zoom in in the stock, literally looks like a jigsaw puzzle.

That is what I thought I was seeing, so the chambers are damascus or laminated and the barrels are fluid steel?

I see the forend has a piece scabbed into it as well. I will have to say though, someone did go through a lot of trouble to put that stock back together. I mean it almost looks like a humpty dumpty gun that someone left that gun on the top of car and drove off and then came back to pick up all the parts and put it back together.

Starting to feel bad. Just a wild speculation but I'll bet whoever did that work owned that gun and had limited means and was sick at their stomach while putting it back together. If they did butt weld barrels together right at the forcing cones they must have been very skilled, knowledgeable or lucky.

It gets better!!!


Parker Gun # 146057 is V grade, Capped Pistol, 16 bore with 28" barrels...

Gunbroker just emailed me saying this gun is worth more than a "once over". I think I will pass

If they gave the gun to you,you would lose money on it.