Please, do tell, where did this "delivery" come from Bill?

Those are the best prices in the nation on shot (by far) and Win 209 primers. The Remington Thunderbolts are still selling on Gunbroker for $36 a brick plus shipping. You should buying and selling that stuff for profit!

Our local guy rec'd 33 bags of shot all #9's on an order of 240 bags. His distributor told him no more shot until November, his price to us is $42 a bag cash and that is way better than local retail of $49 to $55 a bag.

i have not seen any big pallets of shotgun shells for doves at the wally world as of yet. they had maybe 5 cases of differant shells such as steel and lead high brass and low brass...i n by gone years the aieles would be full of dove loads... i picked up a 100 round box of 12 ga for 26 dollars...hope every one else is fairing better...charlie

i wish i had paid that for the bricks of W209s

We're being duped. Remember what happened to gasoline prices in '73/'74 when an artificial shortage was in place? Remember the long lines at the pumps? Remember the oddd/even days when we were allowed to buy fuel????? It was all created to elevate the price of gasoline!! When we finally were able to buy gasoline after the "shortage" had ended we didn't complain much at all about the price... we were just so happy that gasoline was available once again..... What a bunch of saps we are!!

that may be true Dean, but back in '74 no one stockpiled gasoline,

(okay there was that guy up in the hollow that filled auxiliary tanks on his Winnebago, but someone siphoned it out so the plan failed)

except for those few like serious clays shooters who use large amounts, many people are putting away enough to last a long, if not a life, time, sales may well crash at some point, and if its an ammo company ripoff, they may regret it when no one needs to buy any longer.

We've already seen some small evidence of that but it will happen on a large scale and they will regret it.

I do not believe for one second we are being duped. That would require both US and foriegn competitors of ammo, powder, and components such as lead shot to conspire with each other. I can't believe the desire of each to make a profit by filling the void created intentionally by another could happen much less persist. To believe this means a coordinated effort between; Dupont, Alliant, Hodgdon, Fiochhi, Cheddite, Winchester, Federal, Estate, Rio, Hornady, Lawrence, Eagle, etc, etc. It would also deliberately open up the door to new competition as new companies are formed to meet the demand.

Similiar to the 1930's we have had and have a PANIC, just like the run on the banks. A gun buying panic created by fear. Not just existing gun owners buying more but new gun owners, all those tens of millions of new guns need ammunition.

Go out and do some research on the federal DPAS system, I deal with it at work. A government agency can place an order with a vendor and make that order a DPAS code DX. That is top priority, becomes the first order a vendor must fill under law. The government has been exposed of buying billions of additional rounds of ammo for HHS, plus what they were buying for the military. The HHS purchases are far greater in quantity and short timing then even the military orders when the two wars were active. That ammo takes all the same raw materials every other cartridge and shell uses.

Then add to the mix hoarders, buying out of fear and stockpiling. Then add to that carpet baggers, buying what they can to turn around and sell it for a quick profit, often double or more than what they paid. These two conditions put additional demand on the supply chain.

There is no OPEC or oil cartel here created to bring the biggest producers and competitors together and monopolize a market. This is a true mess created by politics and fear of the same, made worse by the deliberate giant priority orders of the government designed to dry up supply, and further made worse by scared people who hoard and opportunists looking to profit.

Finally, shortages drive up prices but added to this are the monetary policies of the last few years that have devalued the dollar, (of course the gov't doesn't want to call this inflation) and we arrive at $55 a bag for lead, and $3.75 a gallon to go pick it up in a $35,000 truck.

Daryl, I sent you a PM.

Got it! Thanks for the info.

Many of the ammunition buyers in the recent past were like the locust plagues of the farm years of the 30s and 40s. I call them hoarders and lemmings. They're people that react to the scare comments from radio talk show fear mongers and are the major reason for the ammo shortages. Fear and ignorance have always driven panic buying. And it always will.

It's just me, but I'd rather be a "paranoid" with 100,000 rounds in my basement than a Pollyanna who gladly fills out a government form to buy a brick of .22s.

But, that's just me...

Years ago, there was a perceived shortage of something (forget what) that caused panic buying, and as a joke Johnny Carson said on his show that it was just announced that they expected a shortage of toilet paper next.

The panic buying was so bad the next day that he had to explain it was a joke and apologize

"Nothing to see here folks... move along."

Everything will be available soon.

*tongue firmly planted in cheek*

Soon? According to two senior managers at the Kittery Trading Post, a store I know you enjoying shopping at from time to time, inventory of ammo and components is not expected to return to normal until late fall of 2014. That is not soon enough for me.

Pete, I modified my post.

The shop I picked up the last of the W209s at said their replenishment shipment has been on back order for four months already.

We're lobsters in a pot of tepid water.....

at our club we were unable to get any 20 ga. rem. gun clubs or primers in our last order. I have not seen a brick of 22s in a year. but we have a good supply of powder for shotguns and rifle . our club has about 900 members so a good supply of ammo and reloading supplies is needed. last month we even ran out of 20 ga wads. when you find what you use, buy it. my son and I shoot about 10,000 shot shells a year, that may sound like a lot but it is really not. its the price of lead shot that's killing me at 20 bags a year, 46.00 a bag my hobby keeps me working full time. I just like shooting too much to quit. they want us to be happy that we can still buy the stuff no matter what they charge us. I can't wait for the next election

I lucked out
 

We may not last that long :violin:

Robin, you have a very vivid imagination.:nono: Well..... what kind of ammo did you receive for "services rendered"? Hope they were low pressure.:)

"the services rendered" were low pressure.

Ooooooohhhh, good one Paul!:)

My "$31.50 for W209s was in error." On rechecking, the W209 primers were $31.00, the Top Guns and Gun Clubs were $56.50 a flat, the shot was $35.00, and the Thunderbolt .22s were $21.00 a brick of 500. Apparently, all were in good supply, no rationing this delivery.

If you can get shot for $31/bag I'll take 15 bags send you a check and pick up at the Southern:whistle:

Shot was $35 a bag. Any honest wholesaler should sell it to you for that price. You are dealing with crooks if you pay higher than my prices. My guy is making a fortune in the component business.

At $35/bag I'll make the same offer.

You are extremely fortunate on both your prices and availability of components and ammo, especially 22 rimfire. I don't even have a chance to deal with the crooks as you call them, from Cabelas Scarborough ME, Riley's Guns in Hooksett NH, Kittery Trading Post ME, and a local landscaper who runs a hobby business where I live don't have those items to sell me at any price, especially powder.

I spoke with some shooters who went to the Grand American, they said they were disappointed with the availability of components by vendors in attendance.

We payed 38.50 last time from Dawsons - thought that was a good price. I see shot at the local places is coming down. Let's hope it continues.

i m in the same boat pete s in nobody around me has anything for reloading..i can get everything on line but it s sky high...punch in powder on gunbroker to see what i mean... charlie

I just called one of the biggest suppliers in Michigan of reloading componets and they have no shot at all. It was supposed to be in yesterday but nothing yet. When asked the price I was rudly told it couldn't be determined untill after delivery. I doubt I'd buy from them now.

hmm - at the current prices, and the fact nothing hangs around tying up inventory dollars.

one would wonder why they would not be happy.

might be they get tried of the calls, but heck, that's their business :draw:


I have not looked for shot in the stores yet (I have looked in the garage :whistle: but still can't find those copper 6's)

Sunday is the last day for members of my skeet and trap club to place orders for components. We have not had any problem receiving everything ordered. We'll see what happens this time and what the prices are.

Just put in a order to Dawsons [ in Ohio ] - couldn't get 700X or Universal Clays but they had everything other than that. Shot was 40.50/bag [ over 80 bags for that price ] - they even had small rifle and pistol primers. Promo, what I use, was $80/8lbs - Cheddites were 108/5000 - most wads in the $80/5000 range. Our club is still doing ok. For shotgun reloading there has been no shortage or rip off in prices.

Odd, the local hobby business that supports my gun club orders from Dawson's. He had 240 bags of shot on backorder for several months and received only 33 bags and only 9's. They told him no more shot until November at the earliest.

Don't know what to tell you - all I know is we've always got what we've wanted from Dawsons. There's a new guy making shot - he shows up at the Michigan Trap Shooting grounds - sells shot for about the same price only it comes in a bucket. I don't know a whole lot about him seeing how I don't attend the shoots, only what a friend tells me. My understanding is that he bought a old shot tower and got it going again.

I just called the rude Michigan supplier and the new batch of shot that just came in is $41.50/bag. At a small gun shop yesterday and it was $49.99. I can waite as my clay target season is coming to a close once bird season opens.

I paid $49.00 at a local shop, but I like the guy. He showed me his invoice and he's paying more wholesale than a lot of you are paying, retail. It's all based on volume, I spose. KTP charges $49, and I'm sure they move a lot more than my guy.

Stopped in Johnson's just north of Adrian, MI today and they had quite a bit of shot on hand. I think the guy said it was $42 and change a bag.

DLH