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Bill Murphy 11-21-2025 01:50 PM

Many graded 4 frame guns are 11 pound pigeon guns, made at the maximum weight under early competition rules. Some are lettered to known shooters. Order a PGCA letter to find out.

ZacharyGallus 11-21-2025 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 439163)
Many graded 4 frame guns are 11 pound pigeon guns, made at the maximum weight under early competition rules. Some are lettered to known shooters. Order a PGCA letter to find out.

That's an interesting fact, I was looking into ordering a letter and debating on doing it or not

Drew Hause 11-21-2025 02:59 PM

At the 1894 GAH (and GAHs thereafter) guns were limited to 12 gauge and 8 pounds. Prior to then the limit was not weight but shot charge; 10g being allowed 1 1/4 oz.

At the First DuPont Grand Smokeless Championship Handicap Live-bird Tournament October 1895 all guns were 8 pounds or less, and the usual load was 1 1/4 oz. shot with 3 1/2 Dr.Eq. Bulk Smokeless powder; gauge was not specified.

The 1898 “Trap Shooting Rules” by the American Shooting Association (courtesy of Randy Davis) listed the following rules:
Charge of powder was unlimited
Shot was limited to 1 1/4 oz. by “Dixon’s measure”
Weight limit:
10g - 9 lbs. 4 oz.
12g - 8 lbs. 4 oz.
16g - 7 lbs. 12 oz.
20g - 7 lbs. 8 oz.

Bill Murphy 11-21-2025 03:33 PM

The 11 pound maximum weight was a relic of the 1880s. Things change. Reverend Drew, I will try to get a reference, but my library is a bit cluttered right now.

Bruce P Bruner 11-21-2025 09:51 PM

“4” on Lug:
 
1 Attachment(s)
Late to the party, 10 gauge 1886 Lifter, frame size “4” on barrel lug.

ZacharyGallus 11-21-2025 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce P Bruner (Post 439193)
Late to the party, 10 gauge 1886 Lifter, frame size “4” on barrel lug.

Awesome, you’ve got two! Does the “L” on the one mean laminated?

Bruce P Bruner 11-21-2025 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ZacharyGallus (Post 439195)
Awesome, you’ve got two! Does the “L” on the one mean laminated?

Yes, one gun, 32” two barrel set.

ZacharyGallus 11-21-2025 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce P Bruner (Post 439196)
Yes, one gun, 32” two barrel set.

Oh dang, seems only a little over 2000 laminated frames were ever made and throw in that frame 4s weren’t super common it would appear you’ve got yourself a pretty rare frame there!

Mike Koneski 11-22-2025 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ZacharyGallus (Post 439169)
That's an interesting fact, I was looking into ordering a letter and debating on doing it or not

We do have info on this gun in the factory records.


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