Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums

Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums (https://parkerguns.org/forums/index.php)
-   Shotgun Shell Reloading (https://parkerguns.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21)
-   -   Alliant has Suspended Powder Production (https://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41905)

Frank Srebro 05-31-2024 07:47 AM

A NY Times article dated Wednesday of this week reported that the Pentagon is moving to increase 155 mm artillery shell production from about 36,000 shells/month at present to 100,000/month by the end of 2025. William A LaPlante the Pentagon's top acquisition official reported along with his Army counterpart in the NYT interview that a new projectile plant is now under construction by General Dynamics in Mesquite TX with a capacity of 30,000 shells/mo and with a 10 month startup timeline, and an Ohio based firm called IMT will make up the difference toward that 100,000/mo target. Article went on to say that all those projectiles are then loaded with charges at a WW2 era Gov't facility in Iowa, and with a second partial startup underway of a closed plant in Kansas. General Dynamics is also building a new shell charging plant in Arkansas. The 100,000 shell/mo target represents a tenfold increase in production over just a few years ago, and LaPlante went on to say the US has provided more than 3 million 155 mm artillery shells to the Ukraine since its war began in February 2022.

Back to the gunpowder used as a propellent, I've read various estimates of 15-20 pounds of powder per 155 mm shell. Of course that's a much different powder than shotgun powders but they're all based largely on nitrocellulose. Recently nitrocellulose had been reported in short supply and Alliant had suspended powder production - which actually was being done in "spare time" at the two US making facilities being operated by General Dynamics. Now with this ~ threefold increase in 155 mm shell production, it remains to be seen what effect it will have on reloading powders and even loaded shotshells by the familiar makers. Net, my take for many of us is: buy what you want while you can.

scott kittredge 05-31-2024 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Lester (Post 411021)
Here is an excellent article by Tom Roster regarding the powder shortage, the information on Cheddite primers is also good.

https://shootingsportsman.com/primer...der-shortages/

if i am reading the primer story the cx2000 red sealer is = to a win 209??

Dean Romig 05-31-2024 09:23 AM

***groan*** is there possibly a good side to any of this…?

It appears NOT.





.

Pete Lester 05-31-2024 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott kittredge (Post 411974)
if i am reading the primer story the cx2000 red sealer is = to a win 209??

Close to Win 209 in bigger bores, pressure increase as much as 2000 psi in small bores has been reported. I have seen it reported a few times with testing data. This is one example. https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads...3#post-4652073

Pete Lester 05-31-2024 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 411977)
***groan*** is there possibly a good side to any of this…?

It appears NOT.

.

I agree with you and wonder what the situation for both powder and ammo will be a year from now. It does not appear to be headed in a good direction for supply or price at this time.

CraigThompson 05-31-2024 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Lester (Post 411980)
I agree with you and wonder what the situation for both powder and ammo will be a year from now. It does not appear to be headed in a good direction for supply or price at this time.

While I may sound like The Gloom this stuff has been getting worse and worse since the Obamite was in . And countless people have always said it'll get better . Personally I've never seen where it ever got any better or even resumed as it was before . I truely believe this stuff will NEVER get better and progressively become worse .

Pete Lester 06-01-2024 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro (Post 411967)

Back to the gunpowder used as a propellent, I've read various estimates of 15-20 pounds of powder per 155 mm shell. Of course that's a much different powder than shotgun powders but they're all based largely on nitrocellulose. Recently nitrocellulose had been reported in short supply and Alliant had suspended powder production - which actually was being done in "spare time" at the two US making facilities being operated by General Dynamics. Now with this ~ threefold increase in 155 mm shell production, it remains to be seen what effect it will have on reloading powders and even loaded shotshells by the familiar makers. Net, my take for many of us is: buy what you want while you can.

Add to this the amount of nitrocellulose the Russian Army has and is consuming on the other side of the war that is no longer available in world markets for sporting use.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:53 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2025, Parkerguns.org