Yes, the fellow who knows more than the rest of us about the Invincibles. He once published an article telling what he knew at the time.

Edgar, no, it was Dietrich Apel, a great fellow who would bend your ear at the Southern Side by Side, in the lower tent. He is part of the Invincible story. In fact, I think he could have told the whole story of the Middleton gun, maybe more.

I don't remember where I read Dietrich's account. It's around here somewhere. I may have gotten it verbally and not recorded it, like I got Shelly's account. There was a second witness to the conversation with Shelly, but he's older than I am.:rotf::rotf: