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Steve, Thanks I may take you up on that. I would like to have a go with it on the 5 stand.

Or maybe a 12 gauge LC Smith Longrange?

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy (Post 37681)

It was a confusing question that morphed into a discussion of waterfowl guns. That's OK with me. Anyone who doesn't own a #2 or #3 frame Parker, a Model 21 Duck, and a Super Fox, should go shopping.

-- IMO- the M21 is like a Stevens 311 with ejectors and a very good single trigger- all way heavy for their gauge. Best scaled smaller gauged doubles to frame and balance- imo again- the Phila AH Fox series.

A former grouse hunting pal has a M21 20 made in 1939 26" WS-1 and WS-2, ejectors, double triggers (yea!!) straight grip, small beavertail, but it weighs a even 15 ounces more than my 1936 Savage Utica 20 bore Sterly with 28" barrels, DT and ejectors. As legs kill grouse, after a full day's trek in the coverts, a difference of about one lb. adds up, especially as we age.

I once owned a 12 HE 32" Full and Extremely Full-but at the same aprox weight as a M-1 Garand, learned to love my 8 lb. Smith with 32" VR barrels even more. In a duck/goose gun, where you are not walking afield all day, the extra weight, providing the balance and proper gun fit is extant, no big deal- M21's are "Hell for Stout", but I prefer Parkers and Smiths- and the laws of supply/demand re: pricing- fewer M21's even made than Parker, Smith and Ithacas-:bigbye:

In answer to the original poster, we should own and enjoy both Parkers and Model 21s. They are wonderful guns for birds and waterfowl. I have had Model 21 20 gauges that weighed the same, to the ounce, as 20 and 16 gauge 0 frame Parkers. We have to look at the individual gun to evaluate it's suitability for certain uses.

Not only are stripped down 20 gauge Model 21s often about 6 1/4 pounds, the Duck Model is usually only about 7 3/4 pounds. Unlike the Model 12 Duck, the Model 21 Duck is equipped with the same barrels as the standard field gun. I have had factory 3" Model 21s as light as 7 1/2 pounds. A friend in my gun club owns a 28" 20 gauge Model 21 that weighs 6 pounds 4 ounces on the nose. It is an early gun with splinter forend, double triggers, and extractors. I sold it to him for next to nothing back in the day when a double trigger non ejector Model 21 was not a popular gun.

I have a 20 gauge skeet grade M21 with two sets of barrels (3" chambers), large Hession beavertail forearm and pistol grip. With the 26" barrels the gun weighs 6# 10oz. With the longer 28" barrels, the gun is 7# even.

20 gauge, 28", DT, SPFE
6lb 2oz, Exactly the same as my VH 20 on a "0" frame

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My 21 12ga doubled twice on me this year on opening duck hunting. I was shooting Kent tungsten matrix 11/4 oz loads. Man, was that an eye opener and a jaw shaker. I was very disappointed in the gun. Gunsmith said there was nothing broken,but he inards were pretty gunked up. hoped for better from a 21.