P.S. to Dick: Check your overshot cards, a lot of the shells I'm talking about are loaded in regular company hulls, only the overshot cards say the name of the ammo companies I'm thinking of.

Overshoot these

https://i.imgur.com/Ossh1Ks.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/lQ0Vh0e.jpg?2

https://i.imgur.com/JCe4RJa.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/PaOxRjp.jpg?1

Selby - San Francisco
3" #5 - 7/8 oz.
I may attempt a duck with these someday.......:whistle:

Pic showing difference in length between a 16 gauge 2-9/16" Winchester Ranger and a 3-inch Winchester Leader, both roll crimped.

The overshot card on the Leader shows: 2-3/4 drams DuPont - 1 - 6 W.R.A. CO. I assume the powder is DuPont's "bulk smokeless".

I'll have this shell with me at the Northeast SxS (Hausmann's) next month. It's the only one I have. See me there if you're interested in getting it.

Destry,
My curiosity got the best of me. The Ajax ( black shell) has an overshot card marked Selby, and the Peters (faded red shell) is marked Peters Smokeless on the card.

Most cities had their local loaders that did provided ammunition put up in NPEs from the big companies, Winchester, Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Western Cartridge Co., and U.S. Cartridge Co. In California in addition to Selby they also had California Powder Works, In Oregon the big one was Honeyman Hardware in Portland. I don't recall the Seattle names as I'm on the road, but in Spokane it was Ware Bros. Here is a 1901 REPEATER No. 10 loaded by them --

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From 1901 until just after WW-I, Winchester headstamped their NPEs 1901 and the cases they loaded themselves WINCHESTER or WRA.

Similarly, UMC used different names on their NPEs than on their factory loaded shells --

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love looking at these old shells and reading the pro mo.pages...i have several old shells that i like to look at from time to time.....it id doutfull that any collection in the world has all theshells in it...rarest one in the shotshells is the 15 gauge i have never seen one of these not even on ads...next is the 18 ga i have seen a few of these for sell....charlie