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Bill Murphy 11-21-2017 05:57 PM

OK, who is going to be the one who requests the "documentation" and DelGrego correspondence?

edgarspencer 11-21-2017 07:08 PM

Are there any records, or a list of Pachmayr upgrades? I'm not saying that because I think the subject gun is an upgrade, Pachmayr of otherwise. I see some details which I have never seen on Parkers before, but I see other details that in no way indicate alteration.
I think we have all seen some extreme interpretation of engraved wildlife in the birds and dogs on Parkers, and the ducks on this gun certainly fall into that 'WTH' category.

Craig Budgeon 11-21-2017 07:15 PM

If I was interested in the purchase of this Parker, I would contact the DelGregos rather than the guns purveyor.

John Allen 11-21-2017 07:18 PM

DelGrego did some upgraded guns as well as Pachmayr.They may have some record of the gun or at least the restoration work.

Dean Romig 11-21-2017 07:25 PM

As I said in an earlier post, the Fleur De Lis 'drop points' appear to be worn and unaltered originals. The rib inscription ("roll stamp") and matting in my opinion are unaltered original. Enlarge it and look closely at every detail, including the single line overrun of the matting at the breech end of the clear space of the rib just beyond the arrow.

And I believe the engraving is original Meriden engraving as well. Look at the engraving on the forend irons and latches. The forend checkering patterns are of the original style as well.... just very poorly recut.





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Brian Dudley 11-21-2017 07:31 PM

Delgrego supposably only keeps records by customer name. Not by serial number. So asking about the work with them would get you nowhere.
It would be better to ask the seller, who states it was “fully restored” in 2013 about their knowledge of it. I would be interested if they say the wood was done at that time. To me a “full” restoration includes wood.

Craig Budgeon 11-21-2017 08:38 PM

Since I find many of the remarks made by the purveyor of 231570 neither plausible nor accurate, I would be inclined to ask the the DelGregos if they remembered the gun in the last 4 years. Not that many grade 7 walk thru any ones doors and since there reputation is not enhanced by this gun I'll bet they take an interest.

edgarspencer 11-21-2017 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 229024)
And I believe the engraving is original Meriden engraving as well.

The chain engraving on all the borders is most definitely Meriden era engraving.

It seems odd that the barrel marked "1" has the late reinforced fore end lug, and barrel "2" does not. (picture #22)

Picture #17 shows the grade number (7) was stamped with the same stamp as the '7' in the serial number. Had this been a lower grade gun and then upgraded, it would have been necessary to remove, by grinding, the grade lettering(now AAH), and number ( now7) and weld the excavated area back up, then blend the weld back down to the water table. The colors from re-hardening most definitely would not be uniform across this area, simply because filler material is never exactly the same chemistry as the base metal. I'm only saying this after looking at literally thousands of photo micrographs in the met lab at my company.

Dean previously indicated the comb's nose looks to be altered, and it certainly is more 'Illion-esque', than Meriden styled stock work. This would require the entire checkered portion of the wrist be redone. I just can't get over the hideous treatment inside the cheek panels and on the checkered butt.
I don't think the gun started any lower than a grade seven, but I couldn't even hazard a guess as to the originality of any of the wood.

Bobby Cash 11-21-2017 10:00 PM

I know B.C. Kinsey to be an honest and straight forward gentleman.
If you've got questions, why not give him the benefit of the doubt and ask him?

Craig Budgeon 11-21-2017 10:22 PM

Edgar I recently saw an upgraded BHE 28 by the team of DelGrego & Runge, it certainly did not hurt the Parker reputation for craftsmanship.


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