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Carltaucci 08-22-2017 01:30 PM

I'm no expert here but it looks original to me

Harold Lee Pickens 08-22-2017 01:38 PM

Butt plate looks original to me--same as on my 16 ga O grade hammer gun w/ twist barrels

Dean Romig 08-22-2017 01:45 PM

Judging by the amount of wear to the rest of the gun I would say the butt plate is a replacement - look at the toe where it was shaped to fit the stock.





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Craig Larter 08-22-2017 02:47 PM

So after all this conversation what grade is this gun and what is it's value in the current market? It is listed in the serialization book as a Grade 0 with PT barrels. The locks have zig-zag engraving found on late Grade 0 hammer guns and Grade 1 hammer guns. The water table is stamped P which would indicate a Grade 1 hammer gun. Could it be that the only way the order for 34" barrels could be satisfied was to provide plain twist barrels on a Grade 1 gun?

Carltaucci 08-22-2017 03:11 PM

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Good eye Dean...The rest of the plate looks untouched. Could those marks be from sliding the gun into and out of something?
Here are some close-ups

Dean Romig 08-22-2017 04:40 PM

IMO the toe of the stock was badly chipped and the butt plate was badly fractured necessitating this amateur repair with a replacement butt plate.





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Dean Romig 08-22-2017 04:42 PM

The fact that it is stamped with a P, all else is inconsequential. It is a P or Grade 1.





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Dean Romig 08-22-2017 04:46 PM

My guess is that there were no more 34" barrels in Laminated Steel necessitating the use of Twist Steel. The vast majority of hammerless Grade 1 guns of that era also had Twist Steel, leading us to believe Laminated Steel barrels were no longer available.





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Steve Huffman 08-22-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Carltaucci (Post 223532)
Good eye Dean...The rest of the plate looks untouched. Could those marks be from sliding the gun into and out of something?
Here are some close-ups

That is why I asked the Question The plate still looks over sized where it meets the comb and you can almost see some file marks in the wood ! Still would love to swing them barrels I question if stock has been trimmed a bit

Bill Murphy 08-22-2017 07:15 PM

Austin Hogan's old skeet gun, #104,043, was also one of the rare P Grade marked hammer guns. It is a #3 frame, 32", 12 gauge, Twist Steel gun that does not appear in the Serialization Book. It appears that P Grade marked hammer guns appeared in a very narrow period of Parker production. The next gun in the SB is also a 34" hammer gun!


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