Actually Robin,My memory isn't that good..:rolleyes: The reason I remembered is that I helped just a wee bit on that article with Craig....

Austin, the smallest framed 8 gauge I have ever seen is a 5. Owned the gun for about 2 days and then returned it. Too many issues, even though it was a lifter. One neat thing about it...the shell head rims fit into a recesses on the standing breech.

Wow! I've never heard of that before. Have you ever seen another in any gauge that was made that way? I've seen a couple of early Parkers with gas venting recesses in the standing breech and escape holes.










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Bill Zachow, it is very interesting that you mention a hammer gun built on a #5 frame, but hammerless eight gauges seem to be limited to #6 frames. In fact, there seem to be no #4 or #5 hammerless frames in any gauge that have surfaced. I have measured the eight gauge shell against the existing frame sizes and have determined that an eight gauge #3 frame hammerless gun can be built, but no one has come forward with one built at the Parker Brothers factory so far.

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I think that the Remington Frame information came from a parts list of 1950's vintage. The frame info was to be used when ordering parts.

Best, Austin

Austin, if I remember correctly, there has been quite a lot of research published in the Parker Pages about the half frame 12's. There was that article and several others by Parker experts who carefully went through the PGCA records. Great research and fine articles. There was another article specifically dealing with average weights if anyone is interested.

And it seems every time we discuss it here another little tidbit of 1/2 frame information surfaces.

Well we don't want to get into the black hole of forgetting about what has been already written about the subject in the Parker Pages.

I just came across the 1/2 Frame blueprint.

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So it appears the designers married a No. 1 standing breech to a No. 0 lower frame and components except for an offset on the hammer noses to match the No. 1 pin spacing.
The lightning cuts on the water table are like the No. 00 frame. Very interesting, and I wish that the times had not cut the production short. I would love to own one.