I might be capable of learning to shoot clays with the above technique, but having to worry about keeping my weight distributed trying to hit a grouse on the wing? Fuggetaboutit.

So do you guys only use those particular guns on the clay fields, or have you learned to maintain your shooting form in an alder bottom?

you have shooting form in an alder bottom? :bowdown:

Of Course we do.... contorted as it is, usually with one leg tangled and twisted, and the other pointing in a direction other than that of the flight path of a corkscrewing woodcock or grouse with afterburners approaching FULL - I'd say we exhibit excellent shooting form in the alder bottoms :D

When hunting wouldn't it be easier to keep your head up where it normally is than to have to put it down ? And why can't you shoot a crossing bird with your head up ? The gun is still mounted to your face, only in a different position. Check out Pat Lieske, a national sporting clays champion. He shoots a O/U with a very high rib and a high monty carlo stock so he can shoot heads up. He claims there's less strain on the neck and allows him to keep his eyes centered so there's less strain on them. Also claims you see better, like walking around everyday. How many baseball, basketball, football, or tennis pros play with their head tilted down looking out of the top of their eyes ? :banghead: If all you stock crawlers would just stand normally you'd find that old Parker with all the drop will just magically come up top your face.:whistle:

Scroll to the bottom here and you'll note that every international trap and skeet shooter crawls the stock, as does Gibben Miles shooting FITASC

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../408936400.jpg

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/21690841

Except Saeed Al Maktoum shooting int. skeet with a...uh...highly modified sxs :shock:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../401528301.jpg

Craig Bennett at The Southern. He has a full face, but is still crawling the stock and his right thumb likely touches his nose

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../396552844.jpg

However, whatever works...works :)

Just goes to show how many guys are doing it wrong.:rolleyes:

I suspect that Dr. John could have a sewer pipe attached to a 2 x 4 and still hit targets.