Dave you are correct. They pound my Trojan and VH 16 so after a box or two I quit them. But love them in my Sweet Sixteen A5. They smoke doves just like a 12.

I have shot quite a few of the Cabela's/Herters and have also been reloading them. They are cheddite hulls. Don't think I'd shoot them thru Damascus barrels, but they reload nicely, My VH 16 1 frame has known nothing but the black RGL's since I bought it in 1986. I personally would shoot them. I have 6 cases of RGL's left that I bought at $40/case and 2 cases of Federals and 6 cases of the Herters. My reloads of those shells and 2 1/2" RST's are definitely more recoil friendly when shooting a lot such as shooting clays. You might be able to pick up a MEC 600 cheaply at a gun show and try reloading. I picked up a Mec 600 in 20 ga+ 100 wads and 100 primers for $50 at the gun show in Washington, Pa on Sat. Are you having your shoot in Harrisburg again this spring?

Harold, my shoot is set for April 11th. Hope you can make it.

Look at Sportsmans warehouse or Cabelas and see what Rio offers. They have a good website also. They offer the best variety of loads in other guages and for a good price.