If good knowledgeable gentlemen like you appreciate them I love them even more. I have found a few faults with the red label but having that made in U.S.A. makes up for them by far. I thought you guys would like some pictures the 12 gauge is the one with the nautilus engraving, as I call it. The 28 is a ruger 50th anniversary that I probably paid to much for, but some times you just can't let a gun go.