Charlie,
I have not seen TM for sale for a long time. I bought a lifetime supply years ago when no one wanted it. You may find it easier to get Bismuth from Rio.
Bob Jurewicz

The Kent TM are great shells, but they have pretty stiff recoil for old wood. The 3 1/2" 12 gauge, 2 oz. loads come on sale more than most sizes. I bought a pile of them a few years ago when I found them cheap. When torn down they make good light loads. Even light loads seem to hit hard.

Charlie I got some here at cabelas. They also have rio bismuth

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Kent-...h-All+Products

Charlie - I don't have any data, but I wouldn't think that TM would outperform highly alloyed lead shot, and lead will be a LOT cheaper.

I've shot barrels of it through a full choke gun, it seems to perform fine at fair ranges. And the boys are right, it's heavy stuff in the big magnum loads. Even the 1 1/4 ounce 12 gauge stuff is pretty hefty. I've never put any on a pattern board, I'd rather shoot it at ducks. It's too expensive to waste.

Cheapest I've seen it in the stores is about $3 a shell for the 1 1/4 ounce 12 gauge. My guess is you'll have to order it. I think you can finally buy it directly from Kent. I don't know one retailer these days that keeps store stock due to the prices.

They made some 10 gauge 2 7/8 shells early on but that's not been available for years and I doubt you'd ever find any. They never made it in 3 1/2 inch length for the 10 gauge.


DLH

i would like to pattern a shell or two to see how it compares with lead shot..a fellow has offered to let me have a few boxes so i will pattern it against lead..the rest i will spareingly shoot at a few ducks and maybe a turkey.. charlie

I wouldn't waste it on a turkey when I could shoot lead at one. It's too dear to shoot at anything but waterfowl. Anybody has any for sale that Charlie doesn't want feel free to let me know. I have a back stock but it's going to run out one of these days.

DLH

I ordered my Kent TM online. It is impossible to find in stores, at least in the ones I went to.

What is the difference in frames 1, 1.5 and 2. Also o, oo and so on

the frame gets larger as the number goes up, so with in a gauge you may find a lighter gun on one size and a heavier gun on another

you can determine frame size by measuring the distance between centers on the firing pins

so for example - you will normally find 16's on 0 and on 1 frames

a heavier 12 may be on a 2 or even a 3 while a lighter 10 may be on a 2.

the Parker Story goes into more detail.