I can't really do that comfortably. However, I would be very confident that 23 to 25 grains of Red Dot under a card and filler wad and 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 ounces of lead shot would be a fairly low pressure and safe load, that would be reliable for ignition. If the plastic wad were used and it fit fairly tight in the shell, I would stick to about 21 or 22 grains of Red Dot.

Thanks Bill. With all the shortages lately one has to look for alternatives. I have both rem and win hulls available. The only primers I have are win 209. How would these work out with 22 or 21grs of red dot. I have been using blue Dot.

thell work fine wayne no problem that old 8 ga will like the red dot....charlie

Thanks Charlie. I will give it a try when I run out of Blue dot.

Red Dot and Blue Dot are about as far a part on the burning rate chart as two powders can be. Blue Dot with 1 1/8 ounces of shot in an eight gauge may barely ignite. Red Dot is much more proper for light shot loads in a big hole.

My Blue Dot loads are 1 3/4oz loads Bill. 1 3/4 oz no 4 shot. 42.8grains blue dot. rem 8ga wad win 209 primer. Over shot card and roll crimp. Oh and win cases.

Blue Dot is proper for the load you mention. Red Dot is not.

Bill, I was trying 30grs of PB and TIGHT paper wads with 1oz of shot when I gave up. Because the brass shells are so thin I don't believe plastic wads will work - be too loose. This was in a 12ga brass Magtech shells.

Yup, you have to fit the wads to the shell. 150 year old reloading technology. Don't need micrometers, only eyes and hands.