thanks bill for the info. ilooked this company up andthere load was as you said about1100 feet a secound.they also had a load listed at 1200.funny thing was one one of the price lists the 1200 load was cheaper than the1100.im going to by a package of these and see how they pattern and find out how good penertration is. and see how recoil is.this could be agood turkey load. charlie