Brian, there are rubber stamped 1/2 frame markings in late stock books. There may be some references in TPS.

Well Bill, just to make sure, I reviewed Stock Book # 82, the last stock book which goes from July 1930 to January 1936. The S/N's go from 235038 to 238934. That's 193 pages and I didn't find a single 1/2 frame stamp listed. I don't think there is any need to go prior to July 1930 because all the 1/2 frame guns found in the chart on this thread are all 240xxx serial numbers. The Remington IBM cards do go into the 240xxx range but don't list frame sizes.

Bill, unless you have stock books that I don't have, I think you are mistaken. If you have any S/N's I'd be happy to see them and let you know what I find.

Thanks for confirming chuck.

I severely doubted that a legit 1/2 frame stamp was in the stock books since there are no stock books that go that late and into the Remington Era.

Like I said previously, the 1/2 frame was developed in 1930. As dated on the engineering drawing for it. And frames were not actually made until who know when for sure.

Well I hate to put a damper on all, but I know for a FACT , that came from the higher management of Remington in writing on design plans, that ALL 1/2 frame guns were to be produced on 1 frame actions. So, I guess that early 1 frame 12 bore can be considered as 1/2 frame guns ??? What say ye ??
Allan

How would that work?

Mike

I have no idea;however, some of the early Parker 12 bores were on 1 frame actions. Across the pond, I know 12 bores on lite frames/actions are called "12/20's".

Allan

The 1/2 frame was a cross between the 0 and 1 frame dimensionally.

That is why you will see examples of 16g guns rebarreled to 12g using 1/2 frame barrels.

Brian, sorry but I forgot to post a message to you after going through all of my sources. I could not find a rubber stamped 1/2, as Chuck has confirmed. Now my question for Chuck is "Are there 1/2 frame guns in stock book 82, with a hand written frame size notation?"

I’m betting that Allan can probably dig out that very document or a copy of it.

His knowledge of this stuff and his associations with old-time Remington officers and managers certainly precedes any of ours. Those folks at Remington these days for the most part, don’t even care about the Parker venture let alone know the history of it.





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Trying to post a picture of the 1/2 frame schematics