Cliff also attended the NSSA Nationals in 1937, the year the gun was built, but I am not sure when the gun was delivered, so I didn't relay his scores for that shoot. I have had many pleasant days shooting with his squadmate Joe George's son, John George. I wrote Joe George's biography for the Maryland Skeet Hall of Fame, and he was inducted on the first application. Our PGCA friend Daryl Corona also knew John George, I believe. The George family goes back several generations of waterfowl guides and competitive shooters, at least the the turn of the 20th century.

Nice post Bill

Thank you Bill. That was very nice.

Thank you for all the thanks for my post on Cliff Green. By the way, in 1947, the Great Eastern had 343 entrants. 2013 will be the first year since the forties that there will be no Great Eastern. Remington has dropped their sponsorship. This year, my club will have the 77th North South Skeet Shoot, the only NSSA shoot in the country that exceeds the Great Eastern for number of shoots held. Keep in mind that these .410 scores were shot with paper shells, low gun, and variable delay target release. In 1947, when Cliff Green shot a 91 with the little BHE .410, the winning score was 95. Charles Lyman Jr. shot a 93 in All-Bore, and Charles Lyman lll broke 90. I wonder if they were shooting Dr. Lyman's Parker Invincible #233,565? That would make two great guns being shot in the same skeet shoot. The shoot records for the 1947 Great Eastern were taken from a seventeen page hand typed synopsis of all events and all 343 competitors provided by the Remington Gun Club at Lordship.

I stopped shooting registered skeet years ago but recall when you left a popular shoot like The State Shoot or the Coast Guard you signed up for the following year or you didn't get in. Now you can walk in on the day of the shoot and get on a squad.

It really doesn't matter that some shooting sports are on a downturn, the history is still there. Glass ball shooting is not very active today, but the glass ball guns are still bringing the big buck and the history of the shooters is more interesting than it ever was. Who ever thought that NSSA skeet guns would be as interesting as the Dr. Lyman Invincible or the Cliff Green BHEs? My goal in collecting is to not let the ownership and provenance of the guns be separated from the guns themselves. Many of my Parkers are not acquired for condition, but for available provenance. I realize that the secondary sale of these guns may not be as easy as similar high condition guns without provenance, but they are more interesting to me while I own and shoot them.

It is nice to carry the history of the gun from one caretaker to another. It gives much more meaning to the gun than just when it was made and where it was originally shipped to.

What was going through Cliff Greens head as he stood on station 4 with the 410 shooting the third round and he was clean so far?

i agree a gun with a good storey behind it is worth more to me than ones that not got a storey....the old 8 ga silent auction gun has many storeys to be told yet...most people would not have this gun in their collection...its a rough looking old gun but to me with its provence so far its a gun for me to treasure...i trully like the green gun and i like the stories about it..and i trully appreciate the fellows who own and keep up with these fabulous guns...but its the stories about them i like most... charlie

If it wasn't for a Parker shotgun originally owned by Fred Kimble, I wouldn't have spent four years of my life researching his and having the best and most rewarding time of my collecting career.

Great book by the way John. Thanks for all your research as it brought Mr. Kimble to life as I read it. Will my signed copy be worth more money some day?:bigbye:

As Daryl says, we are all the better for having read John's book

I have both versions. We're looking hard for the missing Kimble guns, especially the 33" toplever B Grade #4 frame. Mills will love that one when it is found.

The best part of that four years John, is that you shared it with all of us... Thanks!

This is probably a dumb question but how does one go about getting a copy of your book John?

Send me an e-mail with your address and I'll drop you a copy in the mail. They are $15.00 plus $3.50 s&h. I'm actually getting down to my last few copies. Thanks, John.

This is a fun thread, especially since today we have another thread active on the Cliff Green guns. Thanks to John Dunkle for not locking this thread. Most of the information I have on Cliff Green is in this thread and I hope other posters enjoy it the second time around, five years later. Maybe John Davis will tell us the latest in his search for Fred Kimble's B Grade #4 frame pigeon gun.

John’s book is a fun read. He went on extended hunting trips that I certainly could not get away with. Great book.

The current discussion of Cliff Green and his Parkers is in the "Parkers for Sale" subforum, thread titled "DHE 1/2 Frame for Sale". There is another mention of Cliff Green and Nash Buckingham in the description for Bo Whoop when it was sold in a Julia auction. Oddly, I recently found a Super Fox that was ordered by Nash Buckingham before he ordered Bo Whoop. The Super I found was apparently the gun Nash took to Canada for an extended hunt, mentioned in one or more of his books. He must have sold it or gifted it while in Canada, because it was found in Canada. I would like to find more mention of Cliff Green in Nash's writings, but it would probably be in a magazine article, because I have read all of his books and didn't find anything.

And John's research has produced, in his own words, "enough material to fill two more books." some of which we will begin to see in John's new series starting with the upcoming Spring 2018 Issue of Parker Pages titled "Parkers in Pulp" and will be included in as many future issues as John has energy enough to compile, edit, and contribute. Thank You John!!

Best, Dean





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The search continues but the gun remains elusive.

Had a couple of inquiries about the Fred Kimble book. I truly appreciate that there is still some interest in the book but unfortunately I sold my last copies a year or so ago. Don't presently have any plans for a reprinting. They do, however, show up on ebay every now and then.

Bill asked about my search for Kimble's B grade, which hasn't surfaced yet. Nor have I been able to locate anymore of the Kimble documented Parker's (other than the two I own). However, as a result of that search, I have accumulated 5 of his oil paintings and an original copy of "Fred Kimble, Master Duck Shot." There were only 50 printed and of those only about 14 are known to have survived. Certainly more out there but it is the rarest of the Hazelton books. The point is, these quests can sometimes mushroom and take you in directions you had not planned.

Tony and Lou are good people. I've done business with them on numerous occasions and have always been treated fairly.

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I have a signed copy I’ll let go for $10,000.00.

$10,000.00. Now that's funny.