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My VHE vent-rib gun has no posts visible on the top of the rib. My DHE vent-rib gun shows every post.
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All the Vent Rib guns I own are hand engraved on the rib. I have both VHE and GHE guns this way.
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You are referring to the legend, I assume. If some say the matting was done "off the gun", then how is the matting done on the posts? Are the posts installed before the rib is put on the gun?
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241,412 DHE splinter FE 12ga.
No pins. No inscription. Just a flat rib with wavy lines. Guess they gave up by that point. |
I think the pins are there, just well integrated into the matting. I may be wrong, however.
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My eyes ain't what they used to be. I'm fairly sure there is a gun there - that's all I'll promise.
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Hi Greg, could you please post a picture of the barrel inscription of 241,412 ? Thanks
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You mean on the top of the rib? There is none.
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I did not realize that the barrels and rib would not have any exterior markings. That's the first Remington erra vent rib that I have seen. Thanks for the reply.
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I think the rib matting was cut not pressed,that is why they could do that after the rib was installed.
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Scott, thank you for reminding me that rib matting is cut, not pressed. The inscription on solid ribs is pressed. By the way, yesterday was test fire day for the GHE Damascus vent rib gun. What a gun! Jared and Tom had shown me the gun a couple of times last year, but I couldn't pull the trigger until it went to auction. The gun has the characteristic factory overbore to .740, and chokes of .040 and .044.
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Edgar and I both forgot that the rib matting is cut and not pressed. The rib on the GHE in question is apparently either original to the gun or installed very early in vent rib manufacture. I say this because the breech end of the rib is unlike any Parker vent rib I have seen. Not just unusual because it is installed on a curved breech receiver, which is fairly common, but the rib itself has a completely different treatment of stippling and engraving. I wish I had Kevin's very early BHE vent rib gun to compare.
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The stippling without the 'wedge' on the ramp is something I have seen on a few Parker vent rib guns.
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The legends definitely look to have been engraved on both guns... I can't say the same for the matting, but they too, may have been engraved.
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Are the wavy lines 'matting'? If so, I don't believe it is engraved. First, you can see some 'ghost' lines where the dies didn't quite line up. No one would engrave like that. Second, it would drive any human crazy to engrave that many squiggly lines...especially on a lower grade gun.
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I think all wavy lines on all Parkers were cut by the machine not "Pressed" in.
If you read the description on how the rib matting machine works it states that it cuts the lines. They could roll stamp the parker name on the solid or concave rib guns, however with no support on the Vent Rib guns they had to hand engrave it. It also states in the machine description that the name was rolled onto the rib before the matting was cut and there is an adjustment on the machine to stop the lines from cutting the rolled on name. It looks like they stopped engraving on the later guns to cut costs. |
The curved rib extension tells me the gun went back and had the rib added at a later date.
All the guns that I have seen with a Vent Rib that factory letter have a flat rib extension. |
Doesn't someone here know who has the original Parker matting machine? If so lets just ask him. and settle the issue of cutting or pressing
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There are matting machines out there, in use. Unfortunately, Edgar and I had forgotten that they were cutters, not pushers. It's hell getting old. It is debated whether the first factory vent rib Parkers were built on standard frames or flat frames. If we can put enough early vent rib guns together, we may answer the question. The Valinski Damascus gun is so early and so different from other vent rib guns (at the breech), that I am guessing that gun was made as a vent rib gun. I am also guessing that the McCormack BHE may have been made as a vent rib gun, maybe the first one, because of certain features and items of provenance.
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Jeez, I'm forgetting stuff right and left.
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Ask your wife - she'll tell you "It's right where you left it."
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Anyone know how the rib matting on the repros was done?
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Brett, Don't believe everything you read and hear. There were a few rib anomalies with Remington era Parker's, some of which occured during the transitional period from Meriden to Ilion late 1937 into 1938... The 32" VHE Vent/Rib Trap in the image below is one example. A full-house gun in the high 240 serial range, this Rem/Trap is marked "PARKER" on the frame bottom, but rather than a later unmarked top rib, it carries the earlier "PARKER BROS. MAKERS. MERIDEN. C.T. U.S.A. VULCAN STEEL" inscription on top Vent/Rib... If I remember correctly there were not many of the 32" lower grade traps. I believe TPS chart indicated there were only 18 VHE models produced, and many more DHE's, but that total number may have changed since being published years ago... Someone here may know?... Best, Chris ~ CSL ___________________________ http://www.webpak.net/~cslien/1REM_VHE_Vent_Trap99.jpg ____________________________________ . |
Chris, who is that guy? Is that his gun?
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Brett, Don't believe everything you read and hear. There were a few rib anomalies with Remington era Parker's, some of which occured during the transitional period from Meriden to Ilion late 1937 into 1938... The 32" VHE Vent/Rib Trap in the image below is one example. A full-house gun in the high 240 serial range, this Rem/Trap has "PARKER" marked on the frame bottom, but rather than an unmarked top rib, it carries the earlier "PARKER BROS. MAKERS. MERIDEN. C.T. U.S.A. VULCAN STEEL" inscription. If I remember correctly there were not many of the 32" lower grade traps. I believe the chart indicated there were only about 18 VHE models produced, and many more DHE's, but that total number may have changed since being published years ago... Someone here may know?... Best, Chris ~ CSL ___________________________ http://www.webpak.net/~cslien/1REM_VHE_Vent_Trap99.jpg ____________________________________ ./QUOTE] Chris, what a great piece of advertising... Champion Live bird & Trapshooter Harvey McMurchy Thanks for sharing... Randy Davis |
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Bill, NO, the VHE is not the gun in the photo, and that "guy" is NOT who most folks think he is ~ (Sorry Dr. Drew)... The 32" VHE Vent/Trap Gun shown in the previous photo was discovered disassembled hidden away in a basement wrapped in old linens, the separated pieces in various cases and boxes. Overall, a Parker that had been dormant for many years. An additional set of shorter barrels, and some interesting TrapShoot related memorabilia discovered later is what made the story surrounding this particular Parker a little more interesting. Research on this one continues... I have entered a new realm with our "Original" old photo collection. High resolution restoration of 100+ year old photographs continues to reveal details never before seen. The enlarged poster size photo above showing the early competition shooter with his trophies, is a good example of secrets later revealed... Many things are possible when you Own the original image. Randy, Check your PM's... Best, Chris ~ CSL _________________________________ . |
Nice VHE Trap! I also have one of the 18, shot it today. Boy they are sweet! So who is in the picture?
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Yup, I shot one of the 18 today too! Awesome gun!
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I used to shoot one of the 18, but I thought my friend Mr. Suponski needed a boost in his scores, so I let him have it for a while.
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I am fortunate to be in the esteemed "only 18 VHE Trap w/32" barrels" club but I don't know the secret handshake yet.:bowdown:
Mine has the somewhat rare ball grip. What does yours have Dave? |
I'm beginning to think that there are more than 18 of these guns.
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Pistol grip Daryl.
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